Comments Thread For: Oleksandr Usyk Expects To Face Anthony Joshua in 2020

[Curt Henning]

The facts are Hearn asked for proof of funds and Wilder and his promoter failed to provide it. It's funny how people still believe that story. That was the whole point behind it i guess.

So if Joshua Ruiz gets 70 million (if you say thats true) how much would Joshua/Wilder get in SA? Wilder needs to sign to fight Joshua and to stop fighting Ortiz. It would be funny if he fought Ortiz a third time when Ortiz is 41 this time.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=799865

you arent very bright

[Slicc]

A: Dr. Who get back to the present and then try to find the context you missed first time out. No one is spending time debating about offers. Accept your new position AJ got knocked the **** out. That’s today’s reality Hearn **** bot.

You responded to Redeemer stating that Wilder wouldn't even take 50% to fight AJ. Last time I checked, he was #1 at the time. Also, I referred to the Ruiz loss in that part of my reply.

You can write so you obviously you can read bot. Stop trying to eliminate the original context. It is above I am not repeating myself for you.

What did I ignore, your baseless claim that Hearn has the IBF on his payroll? The IBF has a reputation for weak mandatories, and not just for AJ. They're not out here creating franchise belts or 2 world titles. They actually enforce their rules, no matter who's their champion, and some fans hate them for it.

Lol...Best Resume? Best Resume? Doesn’t a resume get worst when you get fired? Why...because he fought Klitschko? What has he done for legacy lately? Reality check...answer these questions. Did AJ get knocked out by the #8 Heavy weight in Ruiz? Is he fighting a top 10 fighter in is next fight with Pulev? If these things are true why would we rank AJ #1? Please give me that level of ******ity that seems to be a trademark of The UK boxing scene?

Spoken like a true casual. He lost one fight, and that somehow invalidates all his wins. You're perfect for this forum.

Wilder's best wins:
-Stiverne
-Ortiz

Fury's best wins:
-Wlad
-Chisora

AJ's best wins:
-Whyte
-Martin
-Parker
-Wlad
-Ruiz
-Povetkin

aJ lOsT DoE

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda Dazn fights aren’t compelling. That why the company is going under. No one wants to see Canelo fighting Rocky Fieldings for a rumored increase of $50 a month. Get better fights and maybe someone will want to watch. What else you got bot?

Meanwhile, DAZN gets boatloads of subscribers every time Canelo or AJ fight, but nobody wants to watch doe. GGG, Canelo, Andrade and Jacobs are more successful after signing onto DAZN, but it's going under doe. Usyk, Haney and Stevenson signed onto DAZN, but it's going under doe. DAZN could become the highest-grossing app of all time, and morons like you would still claim it's failing.

[Fire4231]

@Kezzer, Yes you are a bot.
Gave you an opportunity to just be honest and you still stuck to the corporate defense. Let me address this delusional response.
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In my opinion: Last five fights Joshua fought tougher opposition.

A: Stop lying bro, Povetkin, Parker, Takam and Ruiz could Not beat either Ortiz or Fury head to head? Many don’t believe AJ could beat them Head to Head. No you do not Believe this Kezzer, stop ****ing lying.

Btw...Breazeale is at least 50/50 with three of those four. I could see Breazeale beating Takam easily. Breazeale’s jab could offer significant problems for Ruiz if he fought safely. Parker was upset by Whyte. Could see Breazeale doing the same but I see both him and Povetkin as 50/50 fights for Breazeale.


Kezzer quote: I could argue all five were top15 minimum whereas Wilder fought some real bums such as Stiverne.

A: So who is the other bum in the last five? You made it plural?

Even with Stivern this is some dumb sh@t. When wilder fought him Stivern was clearly in the top 15. Are you saying that all the boxing rankings were wrong and you were right?

At the time Wilder fought him hadn’t Stivern just stopped Chris Areola? Not easy thing to do as Kownacki just went the distance with him last year. The world celebrated his triumph.


So what makes Takam better than the Stivern that fought Wilder? Was Takam ever champion? You do know right after Takam fought AJ he was Knocked Out by a shopworn Dereck Chisora?

So even if we compare that floor you cling to for desperation Wilder fought the better competition in their last 5 fights.


What is worst For AJ is the performances Wilder slept Stiverne in one of knock outs of the year. We don’t even know if AJ would have beat Takam? That fight was getting extremely challenging for AJ when they stopped it prematurely arguably to save him from a potential upset by KO[/B]

Either way Ortiz 2x, Fury and Breazeale is murdering AJ’s recent 5 even without Stivern. Murdering it!!![/B]

Q: This “last five” may change in the course of this year based on who we expect each to fight. If you go beyond five then clearly it’s not even a contest because prior to two years ago wilder hadn’t taken on anyone of note.

A: Hop back out that time machine Dr. Who. You guys always try to go back to a time when your arguments made sense. Well today they don’t bro.

Have you been reading your own corporate memo’s? Why would it change in AJ’s favor? He is fighting Pulev not even a top ten fighter and Potentially a too small for the weight class Usyk. Usyk looked terrible in his heavyweight debut against 38 year old Chazz Witherspoon. Who was knocked out by Seth Mitchell on HBO. My guess is AJ will not fight a puncher until they are ready to cash him out on the Wilder fight.

On the other hand Wilder is fighting the number two fighter in Tyson Fury. Why would it get better Hearn Bot? The comparison will only get worst. You just better hope Wilder loses.


Best “outcomes” is debatable, you would argue wilder but you could easily argue both lost a fight too. Wilder certainly got a couple more clinical wins, but the real outcome is what is achieved at the end. Joshua holds four belts and wilder still holds one.

A: Lol...No you can’t argue this. What’s debatable Bro? Wilder has a draw on his boxing record. That can be proven Hearn Bot.

What is also not debatable is AJ was knocked the **** out. What’s also not debatable is Joshua struggled with Povetkin early, Takam late, couldn’t KO Parker or a second Ruiz. However Wilder KO’d everyone except for Fury and was a refs count and discretion from doing the same to Tyson.

However you want us to ignore all recent performances and lean on the fact AJ has the most belts? WTF? How casual is that? Mungia had a belt at 154 does anyone believe he could beat Hurd or Lara who don’t currently have one?

No bro stop lying Hearn Bot, Wilder did much better against much better competition. 5 out of 5 got put to sleep. One was resurrected. AJ struggles with several and was slept by one. Lol...You can’t even admit to this?.

Most knockout wins recently is wilder and his % now surpasses AJ however you could argue Joshua has kicked out tougher opposition in his career , it’s arguable that Klitschko , fury and Whyte are the top heavyweights they have fought between them.

A: Back in the time machine I am ignoring that. Whyte? Please tell me what is so great about Whyte? He has simply been riding the press as an obstacle for getting to AJ.

GTFOH with that BS. He went the distance with Wach. Rivas should have been no worst than a draw and he was caught doping. His best wins are Chisora and Parker. He ducked Breazeale and Ortiz. AJ slept Whyte in the same round he slept Breazeale.

No bro AJ simply has Klitschko. Wilder has Ortiz and Fury. Then AJ has a knock out loss to Ruiz. It’s not even comparable today. Maybe yesterday but not today.

S:I would rate fury higher than Pulev. Pulev is of course a mandatory and not yet certain to be fighting in front of usyk - also a mandatory.

A:Another WTF Moment, you would have to be an idiot to rank Pulev higher than Fury. He isn’t even in the top 10. Some would say such a person is uninformed or even slow witted.

Personally - I don’t really understand why your trying to turn resume statistics to make wilder look stronger.

A: Cant give a stronger side eye, that is all you bots do on this site. Try to go back to AJ’ previous resume. To be honest I don’t need to use a resume to say Wilder is ranked higher than AJ. Come out your delusion, we can just look at the actual rankings.

If you want to argue Wilder is better then using resume doesn’t go in your favour given Joshua has a far more impressive record which is backed up by BoxRec which is the best non-bias single calculator for taking into account levels of opponent

A: Then just as he says it here we go right back to old Resume. Back in the phone booth everyone how do we all fit Dr. Who? Please Don’t look at the present you just need to look at the past. Well I am sure the ranking system looked at their entire body of work when they put Wilder over AJ. Not just the ***** you want more visible and they ignore the struggles you want to hide.

We don’t have to lean on resume. We can just lean on reality in the form of unbiased boxing’s experts, rankings and the little old men who set boxing odds in Vegas.

Anyone legit has Wilder ranked better than AJ today. As they should AJ just lost against the number 8 heavyweight and very badly at that. You sound informed by your delusion bro. You sound like a Hearn Bot.

[Fire4231]

You responded to Redeemer stating that Wilder wouldn't even take 50% to fight AJ. Last time I checked, he was #1 at the time. Also, I referred to the Ruiz loss in that part of my reply.

A:Lol...No I didn’t not in this thread bot. Either you are mixing me up with some one else or lying. Oh no...You may have just lost bot of the month.

What did I ignore, your baseless claim that Hearn has the IBF on his payroll? The IBF has a reputation for weak mandatories, and not just for AJ. They're not out here creating franchise belts or 2 world titles. They actually enforce their rules, no matter who's their champion, and some fans hate them for it.

A: Who are you fooling bro? They are all the way in Hearns pocket. Hearn needs to protect the belts with perfect timing they line up a light puncher in Pulev and right behind him a stablemate in Usyk. A fighter who only moved to Heavyweight after AJ’s lost. GTFOH


Spoken like a true casual. He lost one fight, and that somehow invalidates all his wins. You're perfect for this forum.

A:That response is what is truly casual... Name on fighter through out history that was knocked out by and eighth seed and kept his previous ranking? What sport is this even acceptable. What would it take for AJ to not be number one Mr. Objective?

Wilder's best wins:
-Stiverne
-Ortiz

Fury's best wins:
-Wlad
-Chisora

AJ's best wins:
-Whyte
-Martin
-Parker
-Wlad
-Ruiz
-Povetkin

A: Lmao... Get a load of this bit of Harry Potter Sorcery? He even has Charles Martin on there? Man you should get a smack for this.

aJ lOsT DoE

A: Great admission, we are going to get you back to reality.

Meanwhile, DAZN gets boatloads of subscribers every time Canelo or AJ fight, but nobody wants to watch doe. GGG, Canelo, Andrade and Jacobs are more successful after signing onto DAZN, but it's going under doe. Usyk, Haney and Stevenson signed onto DAZN, but it's going under doe. DAZN could become the highest-grossing app of all time, and morons like you would still claim it's failing.

A: Lmao why is everyone discussing the projects failure to attract users? Why are Canelo’s numbers shrinking? Why are they discussing almost tripling the price. Getting bored bot!!! What else you got?

[Kezzer]

Fire I would invite to look at back and read your own response. You are so into your own theory of Hearn-bots you don’t even read the responses.

A few things.

Fury I do rate higher than Pulev, go read the actual response I put rather than assume I said otherwise.

Takam I would rate higher than Brezeale

Whyte I would rate high at this moment given he has one of the best resumes of the top heavyweights. For example if you compare him to Ortiz there really is no question who has the better wins, he is far and above. Suggesting he didn’t knockout x or y falls on its feet for you if you take into consideration your big argument is fury is the 2nd best heavyweight - don’t forget fury himself has struggled to take out people inside the distance. In fact if you like go to wilders only other name, Ortiz, and check who he has failed to KO too. Reality is that sometimes KO’s don’t happen and that may not always be the best reflection.

Fury beat (or officially drew) with Wilder so until that loss is avenged - which could obviously be next month, don’t go claiming he should be included because it doesn’t add value.

Joshua vs Takam - why do you even consider that any stoppage (which could have been argued early) changed the result. Joshua had literally won every round up to that point and never been looking in danger, it wasn’t exactly an Ortiz/wilder style fight where a punch (or ref decision) swung the decision into opposite direction.

[Slicc]

Lol...No I didn’t not in this thread bot. Either you are mixing me up with some one else or lying. Oh no...You may have just lost bot of the month.

"Ha... WTF? Wilder is fighting number #2 Redreamer. How do you duck #4 by fighting an even better #2." I guess this wasn't you, you fucking muppet. AJ wasn't #4 when Wilder said he wouldn't take 50%.

Who are you fooling bro? They are all the way in Hearns pocket. Hearn needs to protect the belts with perfect timing they line up a light puncher in Pulev and right behind him a stablemate in Usyk. A fighter who only moved to Heavyweight after AJ’s lost. GTFOH

AJ won't be able to fight for undisputed this year if he has to deal with Pulev and Usyk, but I guess the IBF and WBO are working in Hearn's favor . Usyk is arguably the most skilled active heavyweight, but let's downplay that to hate on AJ .

That response is what is truly casual... Name on fighter through out history that was knocked out by and eighth seed and kept his previous ranking? What sport is this even acceptable. What would it take for AJ to not be number one Mr. Objective?

Point out one time when I said AJ deserved to be #1 after losing to Ruiz. I just disagreed with you thinking AJ should be #7 even after avenging his one loss.

Lmao... Get a load of this bit of Harry Potter Sorcery? He even has Charles Martin on there? Man you should get a smack for this.

I only included Martin because I also included Stiverne. I consider them both paper champions, but they were still champions nonetheless. AJ wouldn't have 3 belts if he didn't beat Martin, and Wilder wouldn't have any belts if he didn't beat Stiverne. Also, even if I didn't count them, that would leave Wilder with one notable win, and AJ with 5.

Great admission, we are going to get you back to reality.

But, I never denied AJ having lost, in the first place.

A: Lmao why is everyone discussing the projects failure to attract users? Why are Canelo’s numbers shrinking? Why are they discussing almost tripling the price. Getting bored bot!!! What else you got?

I've seen LDBC morons/PBC shills claiming that DAZN is failing, and got into it with one of them a while back. Canelo's only fought 3x for DAZN, and his numbers were good against Jacobs. They were bad against Fielding, but Fielding's a bum. I don't know what they were for Kovalev, but Kovalev's not exactly a household name, either. Increasing the price of the monthly sub was only Hearn's idea, so I guess he just felt greedy. Lol at boxing "fans" praying for DAZN's downfall.

[juggernaut666]

[B]@Juggledeeznutz666
Fire Challenge: I will answer your questions but then you have to answer mine directly with out changing topic. If you can’t do this honestly we know you are a lying Hearn bot.



Yes bot named Juggledeeznutz666 we all know you can kick rocks. You have my permission to kick molten lava all the way to Hell.

You failed to mention what I was lying about,we all know you are the bot ,the problem here is you guys can’t pay anyone with a high IQ so we in turn have to respond to idiots like you .


You are the rocks I kick ,it’s painfully obvious that you actually resorted to challenges to fight,well I’m near you so ?

Besides that you simpleton you don’t actually provide any challenges mentally or physically ,I could prove that if you really want to step your game up ? I love hurting re,tards who deserve it and I’ll post that video of you getting butchered right on this very forum with a signed contract Mr tough guy ? Lol

[REDEEMER]

Nobody is ducking Aj or Dillian. They are big money fights against fighters who have shown a decent level of vulnerability. Everybody wants those fights. Eddie uses the type of deal you get to pick and choose who actually gets to fight them. he is getting near a big enough stable to keep pretty much all non match room affiliated fighters out.

When anyone declines biggest paydays where Whyte offered 3 times his that’s a duck.

Anyone who ducks 100 million might as well walk to the ring in a duck suit . Ha

[Roberto Vasquez]

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=799865

you arent very bright

Lol you aren't very bright if you didn't see the humour in Hearn's statement.

Not to mention Barry Hearn doesn't even deal with the boxing anymore... Some guy on here kept saying. "I saw Barry Hearn say he advised AJ to avoid Wilder". Well so what? Barry Hearn does darts and snooker and he has no business relationship with AJ. It's like AJ's mum or AJ's friend advising him to avoid Wilder.

[The Big Dunn]

I think we all expect AJ to fight Pulev and Usyk (or the Usyk/Parker winner if he is forced to drop the belt) in 2020. That is why it makes no sense for the Brit cucks to keep bringing up Wilder as if he is ducking AJ.