Comments Thread For: What's Happening With DAZN? - Part One

[Inspired]

No. Dan Rafael was paid off by Eddie Hearn. The idiot even said it out loud, IN FRONT OF CAMERAS AND RECORDING DEVICES! HOLY MOLY!

paying for his hotel costs and dinner, so he attends their cards and writes about them...that isnt the same as paying them to specifically write positive things and not write bad things.

he does the same for the likes of ifltv's kugan cassius.

[Supremeteam16]

Couldn’t be happier to see them struggling badly as far as the costs compared to the revenue. What did dummy Hearn expect tooting his horn about how much money DAZN had, then they went out and paid 365M to a guy that can’t even control and get the fights they want out of him. Of course every fighter and their outfits were gonna take DAZN to the cleaners, it’s just smart business they are billions into this venture with a thin roster, they’ll pay. Now Hearn talking about raising the price so they can save some sort of face. Good luck with that, there’s plenty of ways to stream for free and they won’t ever be able to shut that down. I pay for DAZN monthly when there’s a fight I wanna watch and then cancel it right after, If they raise the price I’ll just go back to doing it how I always did.

[DClefthook]

DAZN was doomed from the start all thanks to Eddie's arrogance. From day 1 he appeared to be the second coming of Dirty Don King. Telling American fighters he was taking over boxing and if you don't come with him he's shutting you out. His 'plan' was to start off with a few big fights and then everyone would come running over. Deontay Wilder v AJ, Canelo v 3G and Charlo, Tank v Farmer. None of those fights materialized. So when he realized plan A failed, he had to come up with plan B. Plan B consisted of stringing together gimmick fights like Canelo v Kovalev, Haney v nobodies, you tubers, AJ v Fat Andy ll in Saudi Arabia and Andrade on a thursday night. Those fights had no meaning and no one in the boxing world was asking for them. So now on to plan C, which consist of isolating the Mexican American market. But that's not going to work either because damn near 40% of PBC's roster is latino and hispanic and they absolutely love Al Haymon. And for those that think showtime and FOX are going to give up boxing and DAZN is going to take over, think again. But lets play your game and say that does happen, you do realize Haymon will just create the PBC App. So here's to a prosperous boxing 2020 year, probably the last one for DA-ZASTER!

[DClefthook]

paying for his hotel costs and dinner, so he attends their cards and writes about them...that isnt the same as paying them to specifically write positive things and not write bad things.

he does the same for the likes of ifltv's kugan cassius.

Suuuurrreeeee......he doesn't expect him to say positive things ... sssuuurrreeeeeee.... and it's so funny you use IFLTV as an example ... which should be renamed to HEARNTV.

[MC Hammer]

Wilder Ortiz was a bust. The actual numbers are 5 million to Wilder and 1.5 Ortiz. The venue sold 60% capacity and tickets were discounted. It takes 350,000 PPV sales just to cover Wilder and Ruiz guaranteed 6.5 million. If you look back Showtime dumped the fight, they thought 6.5 was a loser.

The talk about $25 million to Wilder never actually happened, they were always fictitious numbers to hide the lack of intellect that went into boycotting the AJ lottery ticket. The fight was an all around financial beat down, the math was never there.

How is the 6.5 you stated only covered by $26+million? And how do you know anything about what Wilder is paid except what you hear and read?

[UNBANNED]

WTF Country do you live in where DAZN is a household name?

USA East coast

[Angeljuice]

Where in the world did you get those numbers from? That's not even close.

You're telling me they have 8 million subs for an app that is basically 90% boxing, but only 1.6 million or so people (according to Hearn himself) watched Joshua-Ruiz rematch on a "worldwide" level.

That is 1.54 million *UK* ppv sales.

[Son Lyme]

How is paying $99 for an entire year of sport paying Tiffany prices and getting Kay's ***ellery? Has Hauser has been taking some of those drugs he enjoys accusing others of taking?

[Motorcity Cobra]

paying for his hotel costs and dinner, so he attends their cards and writes about them...that isnt the same as paying them to specifically write positive things and not write bad things.

he does the same for the likes of ifltv's kugan cassius.

And ESPN called Rafael into the offices to explain what was going on because this isn't ethical plus they pay Rafael's expenses to fights

[Fanofreason]

Are you crazy? 5 bucks? Have you lost your mind.

Why do you think the UFC went exclusive with PPV on the ESPN+ APP, they were tired of paying 40-50% of their take and the cable operators refused to budge.

This past June from Arum himself.


Arum believes the pay-per-view model will never die, but he wants to find a way to negotiate down the high percentages being taken by the cable and satellite providers - which in turn would allow the promoters and networks to cut down the price of pay-per-view.

"The pay-per-view model will never die. It's always going to be there, it's good. But maybe we can find ways to cut the price that that cable and satellite providers take, so we can cut the price down," Arum said to BoxingScene.com.

And UFC COO On Why They Left Cable/Satellite With PPV:

Why did the UFC do this?

That’s simple. Financially, it’s almost certainly a great deal for the UFC. ESPN will pay the UFC a “license fee” on the front end for the right to sell the promotion’s pay-per-view cards. And then, presumably, the UFC will still make a percentage in PPV revenue on the back end. It’s unclear what that percentage split will be between ESPN and the UFC and neither side will disclose it.

“We’re not commenting on any of the financial parts of this deal, but obviously they’re paying a license fee to us,” Epstein said.

With cable and satellite providers, the UFC reportedly got 50 percent of PPV revenue and was apparently angling for more, per reports. As recently as last month, the UFC was in dispute with DirecTV and its easy to imagine the move to ESPN+ has at least something to do with that.

Plus, the UFC gets to make ESPN its one-stop shop in the U.S. for just about all live programming, and getting even more cozy with the worldwide leader in sports is not a bad thing. For ESPN this is a no-brainer, because it gives UFC fans an even greater reason to sign up for ESPN+.

“This is just an opportunity that we just couldn’t pass up to fully align with ESPN and all the resources they have,” Epstein said. “The first 2-1/2 months, this relationship with ESPN has exceeded our expectations and I feel confident in saying it’s exceeded ESPN’s expectations. And so, we said, ‘Hey, we’re off to a great start, let’s make this thing bigger.’ It definitely wasn’t the plan, but I think just the momentum we got at the start of this relationship got us talking about this.”

You guys aren’t understanding.

The cable or Satellite provider we order from: Comcast, Buckeye, DirectTV etc gets $5 per order.

The channel doing the PPV in a partnership with the promotion gets 50% after the fight makes money.

So PBC was paid a right Fee from FOX to air the fight, want Fox collects there right ya fee the remaining profit is split 50-50.

The reason Dazn isn’t working- they are fronting all the money and taking a loss on every fight.

Hence why they have to raise Half a Billion for upcoming rights fees.

PBC on the other hand, gets there fights covered up front from Fox or Showtime. And collect 50% of the revenue when the fight goes green.

Big difference is sponsorship money. A Fox PPV is getting 10 X the sponsorship money than a Dazn Canelo fight gets as advertisers have built on contracts.

I own a large large marketing and sports media agency, half the contracts you guys see are negotiated by us. Hell the signed contracts are written by our lawyers.

You guys are really missing the boat and who is profitable and who is not in Boxing today.

100% Dazn is completely screwed. The model does not work unless they are worldwide and they do not have the capital to be available in every country in the world.

It’s a shame. But it’s bad bad bad business. And a lot of people are gonna lose a lot of money. Including Mr Hearn.