Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury: I Rose Like a Phoenix From Ashes To Shake Wilder Up

[eco1]

Fury couldn't even whoop f grade sparring partner wallin. He got beat up by a bum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFoUuFq3vHw

[eco1]

Fury couldn't even whoop f grade sparring partner wallin. He got beat up by a bum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFoUuFq3vHw

[PunchyPotorff]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
Even with the Fury haters going on how he was dropped, supposed long count, blah blah blah... what they fail to admit is that Fury put on an amazing performance that night. And he will do so again in the rematch. And I'm leaning heavily toward Fury stopping Wilder this time. Just my 37 cents worth. Now let the Fury hater bombs drop on me at will.

Damn, I am reading your sig and Damn!!!! I have Motorhead playing Sympathy For the Devil on my Computer!!!! What are the odds??????

Cool. "Nightmare The Dream Time"
from 1916 a favorite of mine.

[Curtis Harper]

[sportbuddha]

Yes but before the fight - everyone who supported Fury - said Wilder was a 'windmiller' who would never catch Fury.

Fury has ruined it for himself now by fighting bums. If he had tested himself against some decent figthers he might be more ready for Wilder. But all he has gained is false confidence and maybe not even that after Wallin (outside the top 20) almost beat him.

Let’s be fair though, Fury had spent two years on the sofa eating deep fried everything with nose candy chasers, I think the fact he actually got back in the ring just nine months before a world championship challenge against a fierce, unbeaten world champ with a 98% KO rate, tells us something about both his boxing quality and Wilders lack of it.

Can you imagine that happening in another era? A vastly overweight Lennox jumping in with an in form Wladimir for instance? Lennox was a great boxer and he only lost focus in the build up against Rahman and got KO’d, he didn’t even have a break, just under prepared, he wouldn’t stand a chance if he was playing out a Fury like scenario against Wlad, it shouldn’t have even been close.

But, Fury actually won it and it was only some very dubious judging that swayed the draw based on the knock downs.

Fury has been actively boxing again now for a while and has proved even fighting average opponents he can stay focused....I’d say Wilder is very unlikely to be gifted a fatiguing static target this time, his only hope is taking some shots to give one, it could work against a light puncher like Fury, but that would not work against AJ, who can also hit hard.

[PRINCEKOOL]

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Originally Posted by PunchyPotorff View Post
Even with the Fury haters going on how he was dropped, supposed long count, blah blah blah... what they fail to admit is that Fury put on an amazing performance that night. And he will do so again in the rematch. And I'm leaning heavily toward Fury stopping Wilder this time. Just my 37 cents worth. Now let the Fury hater bombs drop on me at will.



Cool. "Nightmare The Dream Time"
from 1916 a favorite of mine.

There was a time when 10 counts did not exist, and all a fighter needed to do? Was get to his feet etc

It was a long count, but even still Tyson Fury got up.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Let’s be fair though, Fury had spent two years on the sofa eating deep fried everything with nose candy chasers, I think the fact he actually got back in the ring just nine months before a world championship challenge against a fierce, unbeaten world champ with a 98% KO rate, tells us something about both his boxing quality and Wilders lack of it.

Can you imagine that happening in another era? A vastly overweight Lennox jumping in with an in form Wladimir for instance? Lennox was a great boxer and he only lost focus in the build up against Rahman and got KO’d, he didn’t even have a break, just under prepared, he wouldn’t stand a chance if he was playing out a Fury like scenario against Wlad, it shouldn’t have even been close.

But, Fury actually won it and it was only some very dubious judging that swayed the draw based on the knock downs.

Fury has been actively boxing again now for a while and has proved even fighting average opponents he can stay focused....I’d say Wilder is very unlikely to be gifted a fatiguing static target this time, his only hope is taking some shots to give one, it could work against a light puncher like Fury, but that would not work against AJ, who can also hit hard.

That's a fair point but as you said in your first paragraph Wilder is no Klictshko. If Wlad had only beaten a 39/40 year old Ortiz twice, an old Stiverne and Breazeale and then randomly decided to fight a former champion who had been banned/retired for 2 years - people would be wondering how come there is a guy out there with 3 belts who he is avoiding.

Maybe Wilder will turn out to be this great fighter but after 40 fights he is coming to the end of his career and he seems to have avoided top-level fighters for most of it.

I don't see Fury winning but willing to be proved wrong. Wilder can be outboxed but he is too fast and too powerful to be avoided for the whole fight. (remember Wlad was gun-shy that night against Fury until the final round) Wilder also has 12 rounds experience against Fury and it was telling he wanted the immediate rematch and Fury didn't.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Let’s be fair though, Fury had spent two years on the sofa eating deep fried everything with nose candy chasers, I think the fact he actually got back in the ring just nine months before a world championship challenge against a fierce, unbeaten world champ with a 98% KO rate, tells us something about both his boxing quality and Wilders lack of it.

Can you imagine that happening in another era? A vastly overweight Lennox jumping in with an in form Wladimir for instance? Lennox was a great boxer and he only lost focus in the build up against Rahman and got KO’d, he didn’t even have a break, just under prepared, he wouldn’t stand a chance if he was playing out a Fury like scenario against Wlad, it shouldn’t have even been close.

But, Fury actually won it and it was only some very dubious judging that swayed the draw based on the knock downs.

Fury has been actively boxing again now for a while and has proved even fighting average opponents he can stay focused....I’d say Wilder is very unlikely to be gifted a fatiguing static target this time, his only hope is taking some shots to give one, it could work against a light puncher like Fury, but that would not work against AJ, who can also hit hard.

Tyson Fury has looked worse in all of his fights since Deontay Wilder 'His movement, speed, stamina/timing has all digressed'.

Tyson Fury fought twice before he stepped inside the ring with Wilder, he was not exactly trying to pull off a Sugar Ray Leonard vs Marvin Hagler.

[sportbuddha]

Tyson Fury has looked worse in all of his fights since Deontay Wilder 'His movement, speed, stamina/timing has all digressed'.

Tyson Fury fought twice before he stepped inside the ring with Wilder, he was not exactly trying to pull off a Sugar Ray Leonard vs Marvin Hagler.

Nah he was in worse shape than that, he’s in a no limit weight class remember and was very out of shape, he was literally doing nothing but poison himself 9months before he fought Wilder. Then he gets back in the gym, is ‘active’ for just 6 months and then goes in and outboxes the world champ.

Any coach will back me up on this, an active boxer and an inactive boxer are completely different prospects. Fury has been in the gym for 2 years now and working on his fitness and strength, he might not have been super inspired to bring his ‘A Game’ the last two outings, he was just there to collect his cheque and he can outbox anyone, so that’s what he did, he didn’t look great against Wlad either, he’s not a pretty boxer, he just gets the job done.

Keep in mind Wilder doesn’t have that option, he is losing many of his fights on the cards before he gets the KO, the KO is his only game plan.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Nah he was in worse shape than that, he’s in a no limit weight class remember and was very out of shape, he was literally doing nothing but poison himself 9months before he fought Wilder. Then he gets back in the gym, is ‘active’ for just 6 months and then goes in and outboxes the world champ.

Any coach will back me up on this, an active boxer and an inactive boxer are completely different prospects. Fury has been in the gym for 2 years now and working on his fitness and strength, he might not have been super inspired to bring his ‘A Game’ the last two outings, he was just there to collect his cheque and he can outbox anyone, so that’s what he did, he didn’t look great against Wlad either, he’s not a pretty boxer, he just gets the job done.

Keep in mind Wilder doesn’t have that option, he is losing many of his fights on the cards before he gets the KO, the KO is his only game plan.

What I am stating is? Since Tyson Fury has fought Deontay Wilder, we have not seen a linear progression/resurgence in his performance 'That is what you would expect if he was truly at 50% when he was facing Deontay Wilder.

Tyson Fury in each fight SINCE Deontay Wilder has looked worse, against fighters who where not elite level fighters 'The fighters he had faced where good solid fighters, but not elite level fighters'.

You cannot make excuses for Tyson Fury's performances, he has been training for YEARS now 'And still we have not witnessed these massive improvements in-which his team have been promising' etc

Deontay Wilder may be dropping rounds, but he is fighting at elite level. 'Wilder's preparation coming into this rematch, has been more adequate in comparison to Tyson Fury's'.

Note: I am not sure who will win the fight, but I know for sure? That Tyson Fury is going to have to show more variation/dimensions in in his game plan this time around.