Wilder Isn't His Own Boss

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Wilder didn’t run anywhere he’s just not fighting on DAZN. Besides that deal wasn’t that great. It was a 4 fight deal. Joshua just got 60 million for fighting Ruiz. That makes Wilders offer look like a slave deal.

the reason joshua got that much is because joshua is much bigger than wilder. his live gates and ppv's have done 3-5 times better than wilder so what did you expect? the same offer for both guys? is that how it works? also your lack of logic is telling. if that was a slave offer what is the pbc offer since he's making less by staying.

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Dazn didn’t even exist once again you guys living on another planet. Ha

Wilder actually said AJ was to green and Dibella said it’s a good match with Breazeale between two prospects after the fight both those jokers said AJ avoided Wilder , even though Wilder was looking at Wawarzyk and Arreola types ? Ha

It didn’t exist huh. Go make up **** somewhere else. You AJ fanboys trying to rewrite the past. Lol go outside and play.

[champion4ever]

No, it's more like Wilder telling Eddie Hearn fuck you! What ever bullshit you are selling I am not interested because Eddie has been proven to be stomped down liar.

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the reason joshua got that much is because joshua is much bigger than wilder. his live gates and ppv's have done 3-5 times better than wilder so what did you expect? the same offer for both guys? is that how it works? also your lack of logic is telling. if that was a slave offer what is the pbc offer since he's making less by staying.

They wanted a PPV fight. Distribution in the US is what’s always gonna hold up this fight. The DAZN people wouldn’t even show Shelley the projected gross for the fight, which according to Shelley is pretty standard during negotiations. I’ve never negotiated a fight before so I wouldn’t know. But apparently that killed the deal from the get go.

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No, it's more like Wilder telling Eddie Hearn fuck you! What ever bullshit you are selling I am not interested because Eddie has been proven to be stomped down liar.

eddie hearn should be wilders favorite person. without him wilder would still be making 1-2 million a fight which is what he was earning pre dazn and since none of his fight have been financial successes i dont see any reason that would have changed without a competitor like dazn in the market.

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They wanted a PPV fight. Distribution in the US is what’s always gonna hold up this fight. The DAZN people wouldn’t even show Shelley the projected gross for the fight, which according to Shelley is pretty standard during negotiations. I’ve never negotiated a fight before so I wouldn’t know. But apparently that killed the deal from the get go.

why did they want a ppv fight? wilder is a ppv flop and joshua has never been on ppv. projected gross of what? these fights don't make money. they are money losers in order to corner the market and make revenue in the future. you seriously think a wilder-joshua fight does hundreds of millions of dollars in ppv revenue? they were trying to overpay the big lummox but his handlers filled his head with nonsense about how he should be making 100 million to fight joshua. they would literally need more than 3 million buys to secure those paydays for both men.

wilder should have realized "hmm im not that popular and someone is trying to give me 100 million. ill take it!" instead he thought to himself "someone is offering me 100 million, thats an insult! i should be making more like joshua!" only problem is he's not joshua! joshua had a huge ppv following and huge live gates to fall back on if he rejected the dazn deal. the dazn deal was just guaranteed money since you never know what can happen from fight to fight. wilder had neither of these things and has neither now. it was a colossal blunder.

also if you want to think in potential exponential growth, wilder beating joshua almost certainly would have propelled his star power. at least a lot more than beating ortiz and fury who aren't big stars(both guys were fighting on undercards before wilder plucked them out) but he chose the path that would give him the least amount of exponential growth. another mind bobblingly bad blunder.

[champion4ever]

eddie hearn should be wilders favorite person. without him wilder would still be making 1-2 million a fight which is what he was earning pre dazn and since none of his fight have been financial successes i dont see any reason that would have changed without a competitor like dazn in the market.

No, it's because Deontay dared to bet on himself and take risks. In 2018 he fought a dangerous undefeated fighter in Luis Ortiz and then followed that up with a match up against an undefeated Tyson Fury.

Then he had subsequent KOs of both Dominic Breazeale and Luis Ortiz again in 2019 and now is going to rush back in the ring with a rematch against Tyson Fury in early 2020 which is unheard of.

The Bronze Bomber is giving us boxing fans the fights that we want to see. Eddie Hearn has nothing to do with Wilder career moves because they are too risky and they all fell upon the responsibility of Deontay Wilder's shoulders.

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No, it's because Deontay dared to bet on himself and take risks. In 2018 he fought a dangerous undefeated fighter in Luis Ortiz and then followed that up with a match up against an undefeated Tyson Fury.

Then he had subsequent KOs of both Dominic Breazeale and Luis Ortiz again in 2019 and now is going to rush back in the ring with a rematch against Tyson Fury in early 2020 which is unheard of.

The Bronze Bomber is giving us boxing fans the fights that we want to see. Eddie Hearn has nothing to do with Wilder career moves because they are too risky and they all fell upon the responsibility of Deontay Wilder's shoulders.

the offer was made after the ortiz fight so yeah can't use that one. Also fighting breazele and joshua was considered even more risky than fighting breazele and a rusty retired fury so i'm not sure what you are talking about. no one wanted to see the ortiz rematch. thats why it flopped. not many wanted to see the fury fight as it flopped and fury was an undercard fighter. maybe they want to see the rematch, we will see. i'm pretty sure the fight the fans wanted to see was wilder-joshua and wilder didn't give them that. remember the whole one champ thing that wilder used to say? don't worry he's making less money though so it was worth it!

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why did they want a ppv fight? wilder is a ppv flop and joshua has never been on ppv. projected gross of what? these fights don't make money. they are money losers in order to corner the market and make revenue in the future. you seriously think a wilder-joshua fight does hundreds of millions of dollars in ppv revenue? they were trying to overpay the big lummox but his handlers filled his head with nonsense about how he should be making 100 million to fight joshua. they would literally need more than 3 million buys to secure those paydays for both men.

wilder should have realized "hmm im not that popular and someone is trying to give me 100 million. ill take it!" instead he thought to himself "someone is offering me 100 million, thats an insult! i should be making more like joshua!" only problem is he's not joshua! joshua had a huge ppv following and huge live gates to fall back on if he rejected the dazn deal. the dazn deal was just guaranteed money since you never know what can happen from fight to fight. wilder had neither of these things and has neither now. it was a colossal blunder.

also if you want to think in potential exponential growth, wilder beating joshua almost certainly would have propelled his star power. at least a lot more than beating ortiz and fury who aren't big stars(both guys were fighting on undercards before wilder plucked them out) but he chose the path that would give him the least amount of exponential growth. another mind bobblingly bad blunder.

It definitely would’ve projected his star power but he would’ve been locked in his deal with no way to capitalize on it. Look at what happened to Ruiz. And they weren’t interested in a 4 fight deal. That was a no go from the get go. You can say Wilder was getting his head filled by his handlers. I agree with you there. It is Al Haymon. Who wouldn’t listen to Al Haymon. He’s always done right by Wilder to this point. All he has to do is beat Fury and their right back where they were 18 months ago. A big fight with Joshua staring them right in the face.

[champion4ever]

the offer was made after the ortiz fight so yeah can't use that one. Also fighting breazele and joshua was considered even more risky than fighting breazele and a rusty retired fury so i'm not sure what you are talking about. no one wanted to see the ortiz rematch. thats why it flopped. not many wanted to see the fury fight as it flopped and fury was an undercard fighter. maybe they want to see the rematch, we will see. i'm pretty sure the fight the fans wanted to see was wilder-joshua and wilder didn't give them that. remember the whole one champ thing that wilder used to say? don't worry he's making less money though so it was worth it!

Wilder would fuck Joshua up. All AJ has to is dump Matchroom and sign with the PBC and the fight is own like a pot of neck bones.