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    Crawford/Porter: Why EVERYONE should be on Crawford's ass for ducking

    Hear it out. It's time for a step back in time.

    The year is 2006. This is the time when Floyd had enough with Bob Arum and bought out his contract because he was no longer in support of the opponents Arum wanted him to fight - notably, Margacheato.

    NOTE: At this point in time, Cheato was an 'eye test' fighter with 3 losses; nowhere near what he would later become. He had decent wins, but mostly stayed in his lane in WBO territory (same as Terence Crawford) and didn't 'dare to be great' until the point he could no longer make 147 comfortably. Arum wanted that fight because he needed a signature win for Cheato.

    Floyd not only felt that he was being diminished in favor of other (non-black) fighters, but that he wasn't being given the credit or respect he was due for his performances in the lower weight classes. He had started to negotiate a fight with Cory Spinks (another 'eye test' fighter that was getting chatter at the time), but got flack from reporters and the media for what they felt was a fight that wasn't worth his time.

    NOTE: Cory Spinks was fresh off getting revenge over Zab Judah. This would have been Floyd's first campaign at 154 at the time he was willing to do what he thought he had to do to get to the next level and recognized by everyone. People go back and forth over whether Floyd could have handled the rangy style of Spinks; what isn't disputed is that the fight wouldn't have done anything for him.

    Instead of Spinks, Floyd would challenge Carlos Baldomir, who was undefeated for 8 years, was lineal champion and held all but one of the titles in the division. This fight all but sealed the deal that Floyd Mayweather was the biggest threat to 147 and possibly 154 at the time.

    NOTE: While boxing purists criticized Floyd's selection of Baldomir, it was only because of Baldomir's fight style, which was not 'eye test' pleasing. His dissection of Arturo Gatti solidified that he was not to be overlooked. Additionally, one does not hold all but one of the titles in the division if one is not a quality fighter.

    When De La Hoya came back available in 2007 Floyd accepted the fight on De La Hoya's terms: gloves, ref, venue, judges, split, etc. He accepted everything because he knew that a win over De La Hoya would put him where he needed to be even though De La Hoya was nowhere near the top (or youngest) dog at the time. Just having the name on the resume would open doors for the Pretty Boy.

    NOTE: Mayweather would later get criticized for accepting the fight due to De La Hoya's age; despite the fact that both he AND De La Hoya were in their 30's when they fought and De La Hoya was a champion at 154, having beaten Mayorga a year prior.

    A rematch was supposed to happen at 147 between Mayweather and De La Hoya, due to the first fight ending on a SD. It never happened because (A) Mayweather retired due to bodily wear and tear, and (B) De La Hoya retiring due to the loss and issues making weight.

    NOTE: Once again, Mayweather's win would be discredited later due to Manny's performance against De La Hoya. That performance took place at 147, and unbiased outlets noted that De La Hoya was significantly drained and had no business that low, given he had gone up and down weight in a short span. Had Floyd fought De La Hoya at that weight, Oscar most certainly would have retired for good, plus excuses about weight tainting the win.

    Ultimately, it was the decision to face Baldomir - a fighter that boxing purists didn't really want - that opened every other door for 'Pretty Boy' Floyd Mayweather. That fight essentially forced Oscar's hand, as Floyd had now essentially cleaned out 147 of any credible (i.e. non-'eye test') opposition, leaving only 154 where De La Hoya was still considered top dog.


    This is where Crawford is - that crossroads. Too many similarities. He needs to either leave Arum or take fights that purists may not want to see in order to open doors for the fights that you do want to see - and stop complaining about age when the fighters are the same age.

    This is why Crawford deserves every bit of criticism about not accepting a fight with Shawn Porter immediately, if for no other reason than to prove he's the top guy - not just be told he's the top guy because of the 'eye test' - but go out there and PROVE IT.

    Like the 'Pretty Boy' once had to do.
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    im willing to give crawford some time here...its not that easy to put this fight together so quickly....he has time

    but he has to make the deal....

    he got his belt fighting horn right? lol.....if spence takes all 3 belts he will have had to go on the road vs brook, a FOTY candidate vs porter and beat pac/danny/whoever holds it at the time......thats a tough stretch....so crawford must take whatever pbc fighter they are willing to throw him and not look a gift horse in the mouth.....he had his chance to fight pac....it didnt happen....

    porter is a tough fight and would be a credible win that would gain him respect....and prove hes ready and worthy for a big unification

    its like ward said after the super 6....ward basically said "man i fought kessler...froch...this thing was tough...bute aint done nothing...aint beat nobody...if he wants a shot go beat someone worth something and then you can get it"....then what happened? bute got knocked out the first time he stepped up....

    so crawford...take this offering and take the W....then you are in position

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      Porter ends the hype. He drew with spence imo and he'd beat crawford.

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        Originally posted by revelated
        Hear it out. It's time for a step back in time.

        The year is 2006. This is the time when Floyd had enough with Bob Arum and bought out his contract because he was no longer in support of the opponents Arum wanted him to fight - notably, Margacheato.

        NOTE: At this point in time, Cheato was an 'eye test' fighter with 3 losses; nowhere near what he would later become. He had decent wins, but mostly stayed in his lane in WBO territory (same as Terence Crawford) and didn't 'dare to be great' until the point he could no longer make 147 comfortably. Arum wanted that fight because he needed a signature win for Cheato.

        Floyd not only felt that he was being diminished in favor of other (non-black) fighters, but that he wasn't being given the credit or respect he was due for his performances in the lower weight classes. He had started to negotiate a fight with Cory Spinks (another 'eye test' fighter that was getting chatter at the time), but got flack from reporters and the media for what they felt was a fight that wasn't worth his time.

        NOTE: Cory Spinks was fresh off getting revenge over Zab Judah. This would have been Floyd's first campaign at 154 at the time he was willing to do what he thought he had to do to get to the next level and recognized by everyone. People go back and forth over whether Floyd could have handled the rangy style of Spinks; what isn't disputed is that the fight wouldn't have done anything for him.

        Instead of Spinks, Floyd would challenge Carlos Baldomir, who was undefeated for 8 years, was lineal champion and held all but one of the titles in the division. This fight all but sealed the deal that Floyd Mayweather was the biggest threat to 147 and possibly 154 at the time.

        NOTE: While boxing purists criticized Floyd's selection of Baldomir, it was only because of Baldomir's fight style, which was not 'eye test' pleasing. His dissection of Arturo Gatti solidified that he was not to be overlooked. Additionally, one does not hold all but one of the titles in the division if one is not a quality fighter.

        When De La Hoya came back available in 2007 Floyd accepted the fight on De La Hoya's terms: gloves, ref, venue, judges, split, etc. He accepted everything because he knew that a win over De La Hoya would put him where he needed to be even though De La Hoya was nowhere near the top (or youngest) dog at the time. Just having the name on the resume would open doors for the Pretty Boy.

        NOTE: Mayweather would later get criticized for accepting the fight due to De La Hoya's age; despite the fact that both he AND De La Hoya were in their 30's when they fought and De La Hoya was a champion at 154, having beaten Mayorga a year prior.

        A rematch was supposed to happen at 147 between Mayweather and De La Hoya, due to the first fight ending on a SD. It never happened because (A) Mayweather retired due to bodily wear and tear, and (B) De La Hoya retiring due to the loss and issues making weight.

        NOTE: Once again, Mayweather's win would be discredited later due to Manny's performance against De La Hoya. That performance took place at 147, and unbiased outlets noted that De La Hoya was significantly drained and had no business that low, given he had gone up and down weight in a short span. Had Floyd fought De La Hoya at that weight, Oscar most certainly would have retired for good, plus excuses about weight tainting the win.

        Ultimately, it was the decision to face Baldomir - a fighter that boxing purists didn't really want - that opened every other door for 'Pretty Boy' Floyd Mayweather. That fight essentially forced Oscar's hand, as Floyd had now essentially cleaned out 147 of any credible (i.e. non-'eye test') opposition, leaving only 154 where De La Hoya was still considered top dog.


        This is where Crawford is - that crossroads. Too many similarities. He needs to either leave Arum or take fights that purists may not want to see in order to open doors for the fights that you do want to see - and stop complaining about age when the fighters are the same age.

        This is why Crawford deserves every bit of criticism about not accepting a fight with Shawn Porter immediately, if for no other reason than to prove he's the top guy - not just be told he's the top guy because of the 'eye test' - but go out there and PROVE IT.

        Like the 'Pretty Boy' once had to do.
        Let T Crawford get wins against GOATs like Kell Brook & Punisher in peace man.
        Last edited by MEXICAN STYLE; 01-06-2020, 12:42 PM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by MEXICAN STYLE
          Let T Crawford get wins against GOATs like Kell Brook & Punisher in peace man.
          Hmm. He WAS hitting the heavy bag not too long ago...

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            Even if Bud didn't have plans to face Porter next his words still don't sound good to me. for him to brush Porter off as a meaningless fight says a lot. beating Porter would be his best win hands down. especially if he manages to do it without controversy, something Spence failed to do.

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              Originally posted by Bandman
              Even if Bud didn't have plans to face Porter next his words still don't sound good to me. for him to brush Porter off as a meaningless fight says a lot. beating Porter would be his best win hands down. especially if he manages to do it without controversy, something Spence failed to do.
              Well, you heard Crawford. He "doesn't think they should talk about that right now". But according to NSB that's not ducking.

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                Originally posted by revelated
                Hear it out. It's time for a step back in time.

                The year is 2006. This is the time when Floyd had enough with Bob Arum and bought out his contract because he was no longer in support of the opponents Arum wanted him to fight - notably, Margacheato.

                NOTE: At this point in time, Cheato was an 'eye test' fighter with 3 losses; nowhere near what he would later become. He had decent wins, but mostly stayed in his lane in WBO territory (same as Terence Crawford) and didn't 'dare to be great' until the point he could no longer make 147 comfortably. Arum wanted that fight because he needed a signature win for Cheato.

                Floyd not only felt that he was being diminished in favor of other (non-black) fighters, but that he wasn't being given the credit or respect he was due for his performances in the lower weight classes. He had started to negotiate a fight with Cory Spinks (another 'eye test' fighter that was getting chatter at the time), but got flack from reporters and the media for what they felt was a fight that wasn't worth his time.

                NOTE: Cory Spinks was fresh off getting revenge over Zab Judah. This would have been Floyd's first campaign at 154 at the time he was willing to do what he thought he had to do to get to the next level and recognized by everyone. People go back and forth over whether Floyd could have handled the rangy style of Spinks; what isn't disputed is that the fight wouldn't have done anything for him.

                Instead of Spinks, Floyd would challenge Carlos Baldomir, who was undefeated for 8 years, was lineal champion and held all but one of the titles in the division. This fight all but sealed the deal that Floyd Mayweather was the biggest threat to 147 and possibly 154 at the time.

                NOTE: While boxing purists criticized Floyd's selection of Baldomir, it was only because of Baldomir's fight style, which was not 'eye test' pleasing. His dissection of Arturo Gatti solidified that he was not to be overlooked. Additionally, one does not hold all but one of the titles in the division if one is not a quality fighter.

                When De La Hoya came back available in 2007 Floyd accepted the fight on De La Hoya's terms: gloves, ref, venue, judges, split, etc. He accepted everything because he knew that a win over De La Hoya would put him where he needed to be even though De La Hoya was nowhere near the top (or youngest) dog at the time. Just having the name on the resume would open doors for the Pretty Boy.

                NOTE: Mayweather would later get criticized for accepting the fight due to De La Hoya's age; despite the fact that both he AND De La Hoya were in their 30's when they fought and De La Hoya was a champion at 154, having beaten Mayorga a year prior.

                A rematch was supposed to happen at 147 between Mayweather and De La Hoya, due to the first fight ending on a SD. It never happened because (A) Mayweather retired due to bodily wear and tear, and (B) De La Hoya retiring due to the loss and issues making weight.

                NOTE: Once again, Mayweather's win would be discredited later due to Manny's performance against De La Hoya. That performance took place at 147, and unbiased outlets noted that De La Hoya was significantly drained and had no business that low, given he had gone up and down weight in a short span. Had Floyd fought De La Hoya at that weight, Oscar most certainly would have retired for good, plus excuses about weight tainting the win.

                Ultimately, it was the decision to face Baldomir - a fighter that boxing purists didn't really want - that opened every other door for 'Pretty Boy' Floyd Mayweather. That fight essentially forced Oscar's hand, as Floyd had now essentially cleaned out 147 of any credible (i.e. non-'eye test') opposition, leaving only 154 where De La Hoya was still considered top dog.


                This is where Crawford is - that crossroads. Too many similarities. He needs to either leave Arum or take fights that purists may not want to see in order to open doors for the fights that you do want to see - and stop complaining about age when the fighters are the same age.

                This is why Crawford deserves every bit of criticism about not accepting a fight with Shawn Porter immediately, if for no other reason than to prove he's the top guy - not just be told he's the top guy because of the 'eye test' - but go out there and PROVE IT.

                Like the 'Pretty Boy' once had to do.
                Very good narrative. Bud will fight Shawn, and whoop him unlike any other fighter has done him. Then I believe that will put a ton of pressure on PBC to produce other fighters and events; hope so anyhow. Seasons Greeting!

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                  Originally posted by NC Uppercut
                  Very good narrative. Bud will fight Shawn, and whoop him unlike any other fighter has done him. Then I believe that will put a ton of pressure on PBC to produce other fighters and events; hope so anyhow. Seasons Greeting!
                  Rumor has it that Crawford's full statement to Bob Arum was:

                  Originally posted by bballchump11
                  Porter is pointless. Let me fight the guy that drew with Broner or got shut out by Spence in his last fight
                  I hope he does go that way, so we can hear more excuses from his fans.

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                    And to those with ADD. This isn't about Baldomir; your hatred of Floyd and your blind worship of Crawford is causing you to miss the point. So I will dumb it down.
                    • Floyd had to fight a guy that purists didn't want to see him fight (Baldomir) to earn the best fight (De La Hoya).
                    • Crawford is refusing to fight a guy who would be a solid threat (Porter) to earn a fight he wants (Spence).


                    Floyd stepped up, got it done and PROVED he was #1 P4P.

                    Crawford is sparking the B tier and listening to ESPN call him #1 P4P while whining about being ducked, meanwhile he refused to fight Porter and colluded with Eddie Hearn to try and face either a guy who got blown out by Spence or a guy who couldn't even get past Adrien Broner.

                    Crawford needs to do what Floyd did, for the same reason he did.

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