Anthony Joshua doesn't deserve a fight against Deontay Wilder

[uppercut510]

aj wants 70/30 so let this fight go guys it aint happenin it will be the same sht as it was before

[Vinnykin]

We need all these guys to fight....end of.

[OnlytheTruth]

Not my opinion! The true record is in the boxing clip. Fact is, Fury was down for the 10 count and a bias referee prolonging the count is not going to change that fact.

So that's the only record that truly matters to honest people.

So yes, the record shows Fury was down for the 10 count with the referee not only prolonging the count, but helping Fury up to his feet.



Still a knockdown? Still a off-balanced knockdown. FACT!


Actually yes, not being able to KO an opponent in a rematch that KO'ed you first, when possessing nearly every advantage over that opponent in height, functional weight, reach, muscle mass and wealth makes you a laughing stock and makes you worthless. As worthless as a 30 year old adult needing a decision to beat a 10 year old kid in a boxing match. That's how embarrassing it is for Joshua to not being able to KO a fat, obese and out of shape useless scrub like Andy Ruiz Jr when he had all the advantages imaginable. Just like how the 30 year old adult would also have all the advantages over that 10 year old kid.

You don't avenge a 5-0 loss in a soccer (European football) match by winning 1-0 in the rematch.

Likewise, you don't avenge a brutal, one-sided stoppage loss by a decision win in the rematch whilst having all the advantages imaginable.

Joshua simply did not beat Ruiz Jr by the same margin that Ruiz Jr beat him by. And the only way Joshua does this, is by going back there and knocking Ruiz Jr out more brutally.

I don't need to get over anything, until Joshua goes back there and knocks Andy Ruiz Jr out, and proves he is a worthy man and boxer at the highest level.

If you think a boxer winning by decision after holding every advantage that can be held over his opponent, is impressive after that boxer got stopped first, then you can do so... But you don't have much of a ground to stand on

From where I come from, level of performance does matter and boxrec / wiki records alone aren't enough to determine the quality / worth of a boxer.

There is no rule that states Joshua has to KO Ruiz Jr to win or avenge his loss. But that doesn't mean Joshua not KO'ing Ruiz Jr and winning (officially) by decision makes him any more worthy for a fight against Deontay Wilder or at all worthy at the highest level. It still doesn't stop him from being a laughing stock for his failure to KO an obese, fat scrub whilst holding every advantage.

Wilder's amateur bouts are irrelevant. He was too inexperienced and young. He started boxing late. Everyone should know this by now.

In the pros, he has KO'ed everyone. Deontay Wilder fought Luis Ortiz, who is significantly superior to Andy Ruiz Jr and knocked him out. So he doesn't have to fight a skill-less obese scrub in Andy Ruiz Jr who is less skilled, less powerful and less accomplished than Luis Ortiz.

Anthony Joshua failing to KO Andy Ruiz Jr speaks more volumes about how pathetic, embarrassing, disgraceful and worthless Joshua is, than about anything else.

By my rationale, the boxer who's beaten the best opponents, is the 'champion'. That has nothing to do with ABC belts.

Your point would stand or hold any merit if there really was only one title / belt for the heavyweight division. Such isn't the case. Which means you can have multiple title-holders in the heavyweight division but you can't have multiple champions, as 'champion' by definition means one who has surpassed all his rivals. So ultimately, there can only be one true 'champion' so titles or belts don't help us determine that true champion as there are multiples of them in a division.

Manuel Charr holds one of the ABC belts but Povetkin never has. But Povetkin actually beat Manuel Charr head to head and has a better record overall. So who's the real champion? The belt-holder or the one with the better heavyweight record?

In an era where anybody can earn a belt with some luck, gifts and help, holding a belt means literally nothing.

The belt doesn't make the champion. The champion makes the belt. Everyone who has sufficient knowledge of boxing history knows this.


"I'm not sure which point you mean here.

Try and make your response a little quicker, yeah?"


I was responding to this point of yours:

"An overweight, out of shape, probably 50% Fury beat Wilder. AND EVERYONE, EXCEPT WILDER FANS, AGREES."

With the following:

"And Fury is superior to Joshua or anybody Joshua has ever beaten. So your point about Fury is moot and irrelevant here."


And nah, I'd rather take my time. If you don't like it, you know where you can stick it where the sun don't shine!

From what I can see, you have completely contradicted yourself so there isn't really any need for a lengthy response here. You've practically agreed with my main points, the rest is seemingly you dribbling on your keyboard.

[No punch power]

From what I can see, you have completely contradicted yourself so there isn't really any need for a lengthy response here. You've practically agreed with my main points, the rest is seemingly you dribbling on your keyboard.

Just admit it, you're attempting to defend the indefensible, which is defending a guy who disgraced, embarrassed and humiliated himself by holding every advantage in muscle mass, height, functional weight, reach and wealth and yet failed to KO a fat, overweight and an obese scrub after getting brutally stopped first by that same obese scrub.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you're better than this, as nobody with even an ounce of dignity is going to defend an embarrassment and a disgrace such as Anthony Joshua. Any neutral and level-headed individual would be forcing Joshua to rematch Andy Ruiz Jr and to win by KO to regain his self-worth, and anything short of that would have to be considered an embarrassing failure.

Or of course, the alternative is you could choose to reside in Joshua's balls and nut-sack. The choice is yours!

But I'd hope you're better than that!

[No punch power]

- -AJ could retire tomorrow ranked over Deyonce and Furry.

U still cry U to sleep.

AJ could retire tomorrow, and be known as the guy who got disgraced and embarrassed by a obese scrub whilst holding every advantage over that obese scrub.

Until Wilder and Fury lose as disgracefully to someone who is as worthless and pathetic as Andy Ruiz Jr, they'd always be more respected and be more credible than that fraud that is Anthony Joshua.

I advice you to open your eyes after bringing your head out of Joshua's nut-sack.

[DaNeutral.]

Hey some may think Joshua dont deserve a fight with Wilder, thats fine, But at the end of the day Wilder doesnt even WANT a fight with Joshua so none of this matters.

[OnlytheTruth]

Just admit it, you're attempting to defend the indefensible, which is defending a guy who disgraced, embarrassed and humiliated himself by holding every advantage in muscle mass, height, functional weight, reach and wealth and yet failed to KO a fat, overweight and an obese scrub after getting brutally stopped first by that same obese scrub.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you're better than this, as nobody with even an ounce of dignity is going to defend an embarrassment and a disgrace such as Anthony Joshua. Any neutral and level-headed individual would be forcing Joshua to rematch Andy Ruiz Jr and to win by KO to regain his self-worth, and anything short of that would have to be considered an embarrassing failure.

Or of course, the alternative is you could choose to reside in Joshua's balls and nut-sack. The choice is yours!

But I'd hope you're better than that!

Awww, bless. Look at you getting all flustered.
If you have to repeat yourself then you are obviously really upset that someone challenged you. I think that this forum will likely annoy you if you think that : -

1. I'm the only person that will challenge your blinkered view points with facts, rather than opinion.
2. I'm the only person that likes Joshua.
3. Giving facts rather than opinion means I reside in someone's pants.

Nice try, little buddy but it might be time to go to bed.

[No punch power]

Awww, bless. Look at you getting all flustered.
If you have to repeat yourself then you are obviously really upset that someone challenged you. I think that this forum will likely annoy you if you think that : -

1. I'm the only person that will challenge your blinkered view points with facts, rather than opinion.
2. I'm the only person that likes Joshua.
3. Giving facts rather than opinion means I reside in someone's pants.

Nice try, little buddy but it might be time to go to bed.

That's all well and good, but none of that changes the fact that Anthony Joshua, you know, actually got brutally stopped by an obese, fat midget of a scrub and then failed to come anywhere near as close to stopping that same guy in the rematch, whilst having all the advantages in:

1) Height

2) Reach

3) Functional weight

4) Muscle mass

5) Wealth


And you continuing to defend this scum and disgrace in Joshua, makes you look worse and worse each post... As bad as a lawyer defending a wife-beater who failed to even beat his wife in a one v one fight whilst holding every advantage imaginable in size, weight, gender and etc.

So yes, please continue to defend the indefensible and make yourself more and more of a laughing stock each post.

Or do yourself a favor and find a better and a more respectable / worthy / credible athlete or person to defend instead.

[Robbie Barrett]

That's all well and good, but none of that changes the fact that Anthony Joshua, you know, actually got brutally stopped by an obese, fat midget of a scrub and then failed to come anywhere near as close to stopping that same guy in the rematch, whilst having all the advantages in:

1) Height

2) Reach

3) Functional weight

4) Muscle mass

5) Wealth


And you continuing to defend this scum and disgrace in Joshua, makes you look worse and worse each post... As bad as a lawyer defending a wife-beater who failed to even beat his wife in a one v one fight whilst holding every advantage imaginable in size, weight, gender and etc.

So yes, please continue to defend the indefensible and make yourself more and more of a laughing stock each post.

Or do yourself a favor and find a better and a more respectable / worthy / credible athlete or person to defend instead.

Wilder got completely outboxed by a fat guy that had lost all his muscle mass from losing 100lbs after 3 years without a competitive fight. He then had to rob him on the cards.

[OnlytheTruth]

That's all well and good, but none of that changes the fact that Anthony Joshua, you know, actually got brutally stopped by an obese, fat midget of a scrub and then failed to come anywhere near as close to stopping that same guy in the rematch, whilst having all the advantages in:

1) Height

2) Reach

3) Functional weight

4) Muscle mass

5) Wealth


And you continuing to defend this scum and disgrace in Joshua, makes you look worse and worse each post... As bad as a lawyer defending a wife-beater who failed to even beat his wife in a one v one fight whilst holding every advantage imaginable in size, weight, gender and etc.

So yes, please continue to defend the indefensible and make yourself more and more of a laughing stock each post.

Or do yourself a favor and find a better and a more respectable / worthy / credible athlete or person to defend instead.

I don't know why you are getting angry with facts, kid. Repeating your opinion over and over again is only going to ruin your day.

You do a lot of comparing things to other things but your rambling does not affect me in the slightest.

So please, give me all you got. It will be forgotten about as soon as I read it.