Comments Thread For: Crawford Drops Kavaliauskas Three Times, Stops Him in Nine

[Realizniguhnit]

That's Spence's own fault for being an alcoholic and being undisciplined outside of camp.

Yeah but thats not all. At the end of the day Spence just isn't a welterweight, he's a smaller MW fighting at 147. Just look at J-rock and Lubin who fight at 154 full time, Spence is just as big if not a tad bit bigger than both of those guys...

[Realizniguhnit]

I may have said that before the Kavaliuaskas fight because I’m a huge fan of Bud. But I didn’t see a guy tonite that has “clear cut” better skills than Spence. Maybe you were watching a past Bud fight like against Khan or Horn. But Spence had a much tougher fight against Porter, a guy that has been in the ring with all the top welterweights. We don’t know how well Bud would fare against the likes of Porter. A lot more skilled than Spence is hyperbole which means a great exaggeration. It’s having no objectivity as a fan when you say “a lot more skilled.”

And Kavaliuaskas is no future HOF’er like Miguel Cotto. So their is a huge difference with a top welterweight and P4P fighter being timed and tagged and dropped and hurt by a guy named Kavaliuaskas who fought to a draw against Ray Robinson. And didn’t Ugas stopped Ray Robinson and doesn’t Ugas only have a 39% KO percentage. And remember Ugas fought a close fight with Porter. So don’t give me the Cotto vs Mayweather comparison with Bud vs Kavaliuaskas, that’s laughable. Kavaliuaskas is no Miguel Cotto, LOL!!!

And I’m sorry, Bud’s skills was a little off tonight against a guy that hasn’t really been in the ring with anyone as a “professional at welterweight” and I am not talking about his amateur background. Arum and Bud and novice fight fans can throw that in to justify that Kavaliuaskas was a top caliber challenge. Spence has fought way higher opposition in the professional ranks than Kavaliuaskas ever has and probably is chopping at the bit now to fully recover based on what he saw tonight. Spence knows Bud can be hit often and hurt at Welterweight. We have never seen Spence hurt or dropped yet at Welterweight. As a matter of fact we saw him eat a lot of hard shots against Porter and still dropped him late to get the victory against Porter. Again we don’t know how well Bud will do against Porter until they fight.

The other thing worth noting. The stance Bud was getting tagged repeatedly in tonite against Kavaliuaskas and the stance he got hurt and dropped in was the southpaw stance. Spence fights southpaw.

Bud wasn't hurt to begin with and he def has much better skills than Spence. Spence didn't even start in boxing until he was 15 years old and you see that in his basic style of fighting, I've seen all of his fights and he has always been vulnerable to counter punches. Something Bud is great at while Spence isn't very good at counter punching.

You can't sit there and honestly believe the way Bud just fought EK is the way he would fight Spence. Only reason he got caught early is because was in a SP stance then he heard boo's and grew inpatient and began to press the action earlier than usual while EK was waiting for the perfect moment to counter which he found.

I could remember earlier in Floyd's career when he would switch to SP stay in it too long and get tagged with big shots as well. That's what happens. Doesn't mean he was less skilled, just became more exposed when trying different things outside of whats normal.

Soon as Crawford switch to his normal stance the fight was over...

as far as comparisons that just to show that sometimes you get tagged no matter how good you are, that's boxing. Has nothing to do with EK being as good as Cotto or not. If that was the case I could have used Floyd vs Agustus or Corley or even Hatton, he was tagged a lot in plenty of fights with guys that probably couldn't beat EK...

[megas30]

Corley was #7 at 140 in 2004


Kavauliskasvas is not even top 10 at 147.

This is the argument : Where was Floyd rank as p4p when he beat Chico and Corley? You said he wasn't in the top 5, yet proceed to show me the junior welterweight list with him at #3. Please keep up, as we are talking p4p. Dude has always been in top 5 p4p. Even held #2 stop prior to Chico, Corley and Augustus.

EK is unbeaten prior to facing Bud, an Olympian, so he's not a pushover. Beside, maybe you are too young to know styles make fight and not your triangular theory. Here are the links:

In 1999, ring had Floyd at # 2.

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/T..._Ratings:_1999

In 2004, he was number #2

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/T..._Ratings:_2004

[Sledgeweather17]

Exactly!! The same ones that criticize Canelo for KO'ing lower level opposition are sucking Crawford's balls for doing the same.

Except Canelo actually steps up in competition, while Crawford is 32 years old and hasn't fought ONE elite level fighter.

Fighting washed up 36 year olds is what you call stepping up?

When was the last time Canelo fought an elite fighter under the age of 33 years old?

[Sledgeweather17]

Yeah but thats not all. At the end of the day Spence just isn't a welterweight, he's a smaller MW fighting at 147. Just look at J-rock and Lubin who fight at 154 full time, Spence is just as big if not a tad bit bigger than both of those guys...

Both those guys are taller and longer than Spence so I dunno what you talking about.

Also, Hearns and Leonard we're both taller and longer than Spence and they were welterweights. Margarito, Paul Williams, Oscar Dela Hoya?

How about Robert Easter and Amir Imam who fight at 140 but are both 5'11.

Spence's problem is not size, it's lack of discipline and alcoholism.

[Sledgeweather17]

Bud wasn't hurt to begin with and he def has much better skills than Spence. Spence didn't even start in boxing until he was 15 years old and you see that in his basic style of fighting, I've seen all of his fights and he has always been vulnerable to counter punches. Something Bud is great at while Spence isn't very good at counter punching.

You can't sit there and honestly believe the way Bud just fought EK is the way he would fight Spence. Only reason he got caught early is because was in a SP stance then he heard boo's and grew inpatient and began to press the action earlier than usual while EK was waiting for the perfect moment to counter which he found.

I could remember earlier in Floyd's career when he would switch to SP stay in it too long and get tagged with big shots as well. That's what happens. Doesn't mean he was less skilled, just became more exposed when trying different things outside of whats normal.

Soon as Crawford switch to his normal stance the fight was over...

as far as comparisons that just to show that sometimes you get tagged no matter how good you are, that's boxing. Has nothing to do with EK being as good as Cotto or not. If that was the case I could have used Floyd vs Agustus or Corley or even Hatton, he was tagged a lot in plenty of fights with guys that probably couldn't beat EK...

Why are you guys using the southpaw stance as an excuse when Crawford fights majority of his fights in the southpaw stance? Do you guys actually watch any of his fights?

[Death_Adder]

Fighting washed up 36 year olds is what you call stepping up?

When was the last time Canelo fought an elite fighter under the age of 33 years old?

And what has Crawford been doing? 32 years old, more than 10 years as a pro and ZERO elite opponents. When has he stepped up?

Name ONE opponent that's better than Kovalev. Name 5 former Crawford opponents that are better than Jacobs, GGG, Kovalev, Cotto and Lara.

[Realizniguhnit]

Why are you guys using the southpaw stance as an excuse when Crawford fights majority of his fights in the southpaw stance? Do you guys actually watch any of his fights?

That's false. Crawford switches to SP in fights but fights mostly in an Orthodox stance. The man just said himself he wanted to come out in the Orthodox stance but his coach told him to start out in SP.

There's a difference between switching to SP for a minute and staying in the SP stance too long which Crawford and Floyd have done and paid for it as I've mentioned previously.

[SplitSecond]

That's false. Crawford switches to SP in fights but fights mostly in an Orthodox stance. The man just said himself he wanted to come out in the Orthodox stance but his coach told him to start out in SP.

There's a difference between switching to SP for a minute and staying in the SP stance too long which Crawford and Floyd have done and paid for it as I've mentioned previously.

No he doesn’t. Crawford at this point has fought more as a southpaw. He’s a better fighter as a southpaw. Even in his amateur days he was awkward in the orthodox stance.

People need to stop lying to themselves, Kavaliauskas had some success simply because that happens in boxing. You can’t guess everything the other guy is gonna do especially before you’ve become accustomed to the way he thinks. Crawford only turned orthodox after hurting Kava to drop him in the 7th (or whenever it was), came in orthodox the next rd and did exactly nothing but miss, look awkward and unable to get off before turning southpaw in the end of the rd and doing more damage than he did the entire rd, and ofcourse finished the fight as southpaw.

So I don’t know where you’re plucking the idea that the fight was over once he turned orthodox. The fight was over when he started to press Kavaliauskas and expose his miniature gas tank.

[Realizniguhnit]

No he doesn’t. Crawford at this point has fought more as a southpaw. He’s a better fighter as a southpaw. Even in his amateur days he was awkward in the orthodox stance.

People need to stop lying to themselves, Kavaliauskas had some success simply because that happens in boxing. You can’t guess everything the other guy is gonna do especially before you’ve become accustomed to the way he thinks. Crawford only turned orthodox after hurting Kava to drop him in the 7th (or whenever it was), came in orthodox the next rd and did exactly nothing but miss, look awkward and unable to get off before turning southpaw in the end of the rd and doing more damage than he did the entire rd, and ofcourse finished the fight as southpaw.

So I don’t know where you’re plucking the idea that the fight was over once he turned orthodox. The fight was over when he started to press Kavaliauskas and expose his miniature gas tank.

You trying to dispute what the man said out of his own mouth. He wanted to come out fighting in an Orthodox stance from the start and only started SP because his coach told him to.

Crawford is what you call a switch hitter. He primarily fights orthodox, that's the facts. He is right handed but he prefers his lead hand 1st which is why he is comfortable fighting in both stances. For elite opponents in the future I highly doubt you will see him switch to SP for a significant amount of time as he did with EK. He's not a better fighter in SP because If he was he himself wouldn't have wanted to come out in the orthodox stance, that should be common sense.

Crawford got caught because he began to press too soon from the SP stance he was in after hearing the boo's from the crowd mainly due to EK's waiting and inactivity. Even Ward pointed out that he thought TC was pressing a little too soon.

You are about the only person here attempting to dispute the fact that once he switched back to orthodox the fight was over. Most people that observed the fight including the commentators all pointed it out live during the fight. IDK WTF were you watching but you seem to have just about everything backwards..