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  • #71
    Originally posted by techliam View Post
    But he wasn’t counted out. Let’s deal with reality rather than fantasy please. The fact Fury outboxed Wilder for the rest of the round vindicates the argument that you’re wrong

    It is true Fury has looked sub par against those opponents. But Wilder looked sub par against Fury.

    Ranking is based on resume, and Wilders best win is Ortiz, whose best win is Jennings in 2015. That’s extremely shallow for a guy who has been a title holder for 5 years
    Nobody claimed he was counted out, did I?

    I am ranking the heavyweights based on what they are today, not their place in history. When they retire, their place may well be ranked based on their career resume. But currently, you may only look at their recent fights, or what they are today.

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    • #72
      Not sure why you have a problem with that. Maybe because it's "fatdan im obviously smarter bwahaha". Logic is correct and simple.

      Wilder-Fury ended in a draw, but should have been a Fury win, however Fury went on to have 2 atrocious performances and is one fight away from retiring and going into WWE. Joshua now has a loss, but came back with a dominant win to avenge the loss. You can't put AJ in front of Wilder because Wilder didn't lose, but you sure as hell are not gonna put Fury in front of Joshua since Fury has no interest in boxing while AJ overcame adversity.

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      • #73
        Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr View Post
        I’m not sure how anyone can reach that conclusion.

        I think Fury is no.1, Wilder is no. 2, Ortiz is no. 3 and Joshua is no. 4. That’s just because I’m not even sure Ruiz is a top 10 heavyweight.

        I have no clue how you put Joshua above Fury.
        what in the holy hell are you thinking? Ortiz hasnt beat ANYONE!

        Fury #1, Wilder #2 and AJ #3
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        • #74
          Did he forget Fury already fought Wilder ?Good everyone has an opinion but theres a reason why Wilder is already saying again that there won't be no undisputed and that's because that AJ fight won't end well for him.


          1.AJ
          2.Fury
          3. Wilder

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          • #75
            Originally posted by Tyistall View Post
            AJ has the best resume and 4 belts...but he's not #1 hahahah. You guys get more idiotic by the day. BoxRec has it right, deal with that
            This is one man's opinion of who's best in the division. It is not any official ranking. I'm not entirely sure what the Top 5 order should be, but I would bet the family farm on Fury and Wilder to beat AJ, so he's no higher than #3 on my list.

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            • #76
              Joshua is a way behind Fury and Wilder.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by REDEEMER View Post
                Did he forget Fury already fought Wilder ?Good everyone has an opinion but theres a reason why Wilder is already saying again that there won't be no undisputed and that's because that AJ fight won't end well for him.


                1.AJ
                2.Fury
                3. Wilder

                If AJ is skittish about taking shots from Ruiz, then can you imagine how much **** he'd have leaking down the back of his legs when he gets in the ring with Wilder?? AJ doesn't believe in his chin anymore. Wilder will KO him with the first glancing blow he lands on his noodle.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by j0zef View Post
                  Not sure why you have a problem with that. Maybe because it's "fatdan im obviously smarter bwahaha". Logic is correct and simple.

                  Wilder-Fury ended in a draw, but should have been a Fury win, however Fury went on to have 2 atrocious performances and is one fight away from retiring and going into WWE. Joshua now has a loss, but came back with a dominant win to avenge the loss. You can't put AJ in front of Wilder because Wilder didn't lose, but you sure as hell are not gonna put Fury in front of Joshua since Fury has no interest in boxing while AJ overcame adversity.
                  That's logical to you??

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by NachoMan View Post
                    This is one man's opinion of who's best in the division. It is not any official ranking. I'm not entirely sure what the Top 5 order should be, but I would bet the family farm on Fury and Wilder to beat AJ, so he's no higher than #3 on my list.
                    Yeah, and you'd be right where those guys who bet the farm on Ruiz last weekend, are now hahahaha

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                    • #80
                      Just to play devils advocate, I see the fighters sitting on a scale

                      To the left we have a pure boxer in Fury, to the right, we have a pure puncher in wilder and sitting in the middle, showing facets of both, albeit to a lesser extent - is AJ. Now I actually think if you were to total up all of their very basic and fundamental principles, they will all be very closely pegged together.

                      Wilder;

                      Power - 10/10
                      Speed - 9/10
                      Boxing - 4/10

                      Fury;

                      Power- 4/10
                      Speed - 9/10
                      Boxing - 9/10

                      AJ;

                      Power - 8/10
                      Speed - 7/10
                      Boxing - 7/10

                      Of course there are 100 other factors in boxing and they aren't all weighted evenly in terms of importance, but I think the 3 above sets the tone of my reasoning at least and might be a good conversation starter!

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