How aj beats wilder & fury

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  • elfag
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    #21
    Originally posted by Jax teller
    Wilder moves back in straight lines and throws the same predictable 1 2 all night that's why even the poor competitors win the rounds.

    That's why Fury was making him miss pretty much all night

    That right hand is just devestatimg and against the short guys he keeps his distance until it lands.

    Andy Ruiz gave AJ trouble because when he's hurt he throws a hundred punched all in a second, Wilder just shells up and tries to survive when he's hurt and isn't capable of throwing these combos.

    Wilder wins if he pressures AJ, if he waits AJ will get him and finish him.
    He made him miss until he didnt. AJ wouldnt have recovered from the second shot that dropped Fury.

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    • Armchairhero
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      #22
      You have to keep in mind, AJ has just as much of a chance of KO’ing Wilder. Fury isn’t knocking any of them out, AJ poses different problems for him.

      Wilder still has that huge punch, you can never count him out against anyone.

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      • Jax teller
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        #23
        Originally posted by el***
        He made him miss until he didnt. AJ wouldnt have recovered from the second shot that dropped Fury.
        No but AJ would punish him for what he did miss unlike Fury.

        Styles make fights and all that AJ couldn't outbox Wlad' like Fury but he still got that W.

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        • punchy_palooka
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          #24
          Joshua is in the same position as any other potential Wilder opponent: if he can avoid the right, he probably wins; if he can't avoid the right, he probably loses. The factors are Joshua's power and Wilder's chin. If Wilder's chin is very good - if 2018 Ortiz's power was legit - I don't think Joshua's power is putting him down with one punch or one combination. He'd have to put a sustained hurt on him and wear him down a bit first. If Wilder's chin is still an unknown quantity - if 2018 Ortiz was faded or his power was overrated - anything's possible.

          Not a Wilder fan or anti-fan, but I'm inclined to say that Wilder probably has a good chin. So for me, the fight would come down the standard Wilder question: does the opponent have enough boxing ability to avoid the right for a prolonged period of time, and does he have enough power to hurt Wilder while doing so? On my card, Fury - the class of slickness at HW, even not at 100% - pulled it off. What Joshua lacks in slickess compare to Fury, could he make up with power and 'solve the equation'? I hope we find out at some point.

          The only wildcard for me is Joshua's nerves. I do think he gets discombobulated when he's in trouble. While he absolutely fought the right fight against Ruiz this time - he didn't put himself in a position where he could get in trouble, and Ruiz couldn't put him there - to beat Wilder he'd have to put himself in danger at some point.

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          • NaijaD
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            #25
            Wilder's power is terrifying and he can end AJs night in one solid punch...... still the fact is he is a terrible boxer and will probably be the first one to get caught with a big shot and when he does he'll be in serious trouble. Joshua has to finish him when that happens or eventually Wilder will catch him.

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            • TheUptownKid
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              #26
              Joshua boxed a short fat man today. His dynamic would be totally different vs a wilder or fury who he wouldn’t have a ten inch reach advantage in

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              • Joe Beamish
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                #27
                Not sure if jab n’ grab will work against Fury or Wilder.

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                • Toffee
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                  #28
                  I think Joshua would be bigger and stronger for both of these fights.

                  He could enter the ring at 300 lb and sipping a milkshake and still outbox Wilder. So why fight fast and light? I think we'd see him at 245 lb or so. He'll need to finish Wilder - to avoid the right hand for 12 rounds is a big ask without having elite movement or defence. Still think it's a 50/50 and doesn't go the distance.

                  Possibly similar size for Fury. But I think Fury will avoid that fight like the plague. He's not getting in with a similar sized boxer puncher. Styles make fights and that's a horrible one for Fury.

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                  • LA_2_Vegas
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                    #29
                    I don't think it would end well for AJ if he expects to fight Wilder like he fought Ruiz II...right at the end of Wilder's long shots.

                    I suppose his footwork is decent enough (outside the Ruiz I lateral shuffle disaster)--he might be able to get away with it long enough to pick up some early rounds because Wilder's output is not that great and he leaves himself open to falling behind on the cards sometimes.

                    At some point, I think he would have much more of an advantage in the mid-range, trying to get under and inside of Wilder's shots. Wilder can shorten his punches (uppercut to end Ortiz), he can throw a punch with little windup as you come in (right hand to end Spilka), he can pull back and create some space for himself to get off...but if you stick with him for an extended period and are able to stay in mid-range, the openings will be there

                    I really wish Fury would fight him like that because he both the outside/inside game, but he's been happy to be out there trying to be slick. Only in the 12th round after almost getting slept did he step forward and tried to take away the right hand in another way
                    Last edited by LA_2_Vegas; 12-07-2019, 09:35 PM.

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                    • Jax teller
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by TheUptownKid
                      Joshua boxed a short fat man today. His dynamic would be totally different vs a wilder or fury who he wouldn’t have a ten inch reach advantage in
                      He fought the fight that most Wilder fans were saying he couldn't.

                      AJ's best and most common style is smashing guys on the inside with combos something Wilder can't do and Fury might not be able to avoid.

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