Which heavyweight title lineage do you consider the most prestigious?

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    #11
    Originally posted by Articulateboxin
    Well I thought he was stripped because he refused to enlist in the war? He would have been stripped of every belt, that isn't a WBA thing is it? (please correct me if i'm wrong)
    The WBA stripped Ali for giving Sonny Liston a rematch. The WBC didn't. The WBA stripped Ali *again* for not going to Vietnam and they stripped him very quickly. The WBC waited much longer to strip him and only stripped him because it was becoming clear he'd be unable to get a boxing license. They were far more fair to Ali in both instances than the WBA was.

    In the first instance, WBC champion Ali dominated WBA champion Terrell to re-unify the title. Adding to the WBC's credibility. In the second instance, WBC champion Frazier dominated WBA champion Ellis to unify the title. Adding to the WBC's credibility. WBC heavyweight champions are undefeated in unification fights. Over and over, when given the chance, the WBC champion has proven superior to the others.


    Ahhhh, I hope you edit this list if and when WBC make Wilder Franchise
    Thus far, the boxing world has refused to recognize the Franchise title as a world championship. The "Franchise champion" can't lose the title in the ring. So how can it be a world title? If you beat the Franchise champion, you become the diamond champion, not the world champion, and the Franchise champion remains Franchise champion despite the loss.

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    • CodeBreaker
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      #12
      Either that black belt or that green one

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        #13
        Originally posted by famicommander
        The lineal title is the only one that matters and it is presently vacant.
        For those that recognize the lineal title, most seem to consider Fury the champion. So it may be vacant in your opinion, but most seem to disagree. There were other lineal heavyweight champions with longer hiatuses than Fury had and they never had their lineal status taken away.

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          #14
          Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
          For those that recognize the lineal title, most seem to consider Fury the champion. So it may be vacant in your opinion, but most seem to disagree. There were other lineal heavyweight champions with longer hiatuses than Fury had and they never had their lineal status taken away.
          Fury publicly declared his retirement multiple times. That vacates the lineal title.

          Just like how Pacquiao vacated the lineal welterweight title upon retirement, even though he returned to the ring mere months later.

          Otherwise, Bud Crawford would be considered lineal welterweight champion and nobody considers him that. Because Horn beat Pacquiao, who won the vacant lineal welterweight title against Tim Bradley and then retired. But in the same calendar year he returned, beat Jesse Vargas, then lost (by robbery, but that's beside the point) to Horn. And then Crawford beat Horn.

          But because Pacquiao retired, nobody considered him lineal champion when he lost to Horn. And thus Horn, and Crawford, were never lineal champion.

          The TBRB and CBZ both consider the lineal heavyweight title to be vacant.

          The only ones who still consider Fury lineal champion are people involved with the promotion of his fights.

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            #15
            Originally posted by famicommander
            Fury publicly declared his retirement multiple times. That vacates the lineal title.
            Hours after publicly declaring his retirement, he said it was a prank and he wasn't retiring. If that's your justification for stripping him, you might need a sense of humor.

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              #16
              Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
              Hours after publicly declaring his retirement, he said it was a prank and he wasn't retiring. If that's your justification for stripping him, you might need a sense of humor.
              He retired at least 3 times via social media and it took months to retract one of them.

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                #17
                Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
                wba world heavyweight champions (1962-present)
                floyd patterson
                sonny liston
                muhammad ali (stripped)
                ernie terrell
                muhammad ali (stripped)
                jimmy ellis
                joe frazier
                george foreman
                muhammad ali
                leon spinks
                muhammad ali (vacated)
                john tate
                mike weaver
                michael dokes
                gerrie coetzee
                greg page
                tony tubbs
                tim witherspoon
                bonecrusher smith
                mike tyson
                buster douglas
                evander holyfield
                rid**** bowe
                evander holyfield
                michael moorer
                george foreman (stripped)
                bruce seldon
                mike tyson
                evander holyfield
                lennox lewis (stripped)
                evander holyfield
                john ruiz
                roy jones jr. (vacated)
                john ruiz
                nikolai valuev
                ruslan chagaev (stripped)
                nikolai valuev
                david haye (vacated)
                alexander povetkin (vacated)
                ruslan chagaev (stripped)
                manuel charr


                wbc world heavyweight champions (1963-present)
                sonny liston
                muhammad ali (stripped)
                joe frazier
                george foreman
                muhammad ali
                leon spinks (stripped)
                ken norton
                larry holmes (vacated)
                tim witherspoon
                pinklon thomas
                trevor berbick
                mike tyson
                buster douglas
                evander holyfield
                rid**** bowe (stripped)
                lennox lewis
                oliver mccall
                frank bruno
                mike tyson (vacated)
                lennox lewis
                hasim rahman
                lennox lewis (vacated)
                vitali klitschko (vacated)
                hasim rahman
                oleg maskaev
                samuel peter
                vitali klitschko (vacated)
                bermane stiverne
                deontay wilder


                ibf world heavyweight champions (1983-present)
                larry holmes
                michael spinks (stripped)
                tony tucker
                mike tyson
                buster douglas
                evander holyfield
                rid**** bowe
                evander holyfield
                michael moorer
                george foreman (vacated)
                francois botha (stripped)
                michael moorer
                evander holyfield
                lennos lewis
                hasim rahman
                lennox lewis (vacated)
                chris byrd
                wladimir klitschko
                tyson fury (stripped)
                charles martin
                anthony joshua
                andy ruiz jr.


                wbo world heavyweight champions (1989-present)
                francesco damiani
                ray mercer (stripped)
                michael moorer (vacated)
                tommy morrison
                michael bentt
                herbie hide
                rid**** bowe (vacated)
                henry akinwande (vacated)
                herbie hide
                vitali klitschko
                chris byrd
                wladimir klitschko
                corrie sanders (vacated)
                lamon brewster
                sergey liakhovich
                shannon briggs
                sultan ibragimov
                wladimir klitschko
                tyson fury (vacated)
                joseph parker
                anthony joshua
                andy ruiz jr.


                super wba world heavyweight champions (2011-present)
                wladimir klitschko
                tyson fury (vacated)
                anthony joshua
                andy ruiz jr.
                I go for the IBO lineage.

                Cause I Be Only watching the IBO titles fights!!

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by famicommander
                  He retired at least 3 times via social media and it took months to retract one of them.
                  Link please?

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
                    Link please?
                    This was the second of at least three times, maybe more, and it includes a reference to the time you refer to:
                    Tyson Fury has appeared to announce his retirement once more as he waits to receive a date for the resumption of his UK Anti-Doping hearing

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by famicommander
                      This was the second of at least three times, maybe more, and it includes a reference to the time you refer to:
                      https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...s-boxing-again
                      You linked to an article speculating that Fury was retiring. Fury didn't actually say he was retiring. He said:

                      "Thanks to all the fans that supported & believed in me along the way. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did. The end."

                      The end of what? The end of his tweet? The end of his life? The end of his career? Is he threatening retirement or is he threatening suicide? Or is he simply saying "the end" as in the end of his statement?

                      If that was your justification for stripping him, good for you, but most disagree with you and still recognize him as lineal champion. Ring Magazine didn't strip him until 7 months after the tweet you linked to. So clearly they didn't consider him retired based on that tweet.

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