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  • #11
    Yawn. Garbage post from random alt.

    Originally posted by DumpkinsPlus5 View Post
    Bomac says Crawford isn't interested in Regis, Taylor, or Ramirez. Bob Arum says he will not make Crawford vs Porter. Crawford's strategy is Spence or bust.
    False. PBC is freezing him out. The guys you mentioned are not in Crawford's division. If he fought Prograis, you'd be here btching and moaning how Bud only picks on small guys like Gamboa.


    History is repeating itself right in front of our eyes. Golovkin ignored competitive fights,
    False. He fought or tried to fight everyone who was anyone during his era.
    took step aside money,
    Once from Cotto - because Cotto wasn't gonna fight him anyway, and that step aside came with a guarantee that he gets a shot at WBC.. which led to Canelo ducking him.
    chased Canelo
    Wouldn't have to chase him if Canelo had the balls to fight him
    and lost...twice. Now he has no legacy.
    Let's for a second ignore that vast majority of both boxing and casual world think that Canelo lost 1st fight and at most drew the 2nd, the official record is 1 draw and 1 loss. That's the furthest you braindead burger flippers can go.

    To top it all off, he's old, and knows there's a big chance he gets exposed if he fights the cream of the crop of the division,
    Righttttttttttt.. which is why he just fought a Top5 guy and is STILL calling out Canelo, the 'cream of the crop'.

    Crawford is getting bad advice, and needs to pursue a fight with the best welterweight that will fight him, Shawn Porter. We all know Shawn does whatever his daddy says, and Kenny is adamant about wanting the Crawford fight. Bob Arum comes along, and for some reason, is completely against making a fight with the one fighter who won't duck anyone.
    Last I checked Porter was with PBC, which is ignoring Crawford's existence because they're scared of putting any of their guys against him.

    Additionally, you're wrong. The fight Crawford needs to pursue is Pacquaio. Pac is highly regarded after win against Thurman and is getting close to retirement. He's a living legend, and a win against Pac, even age 40 Pac, is a great win. Porter on the other hand, is not only coming off a loss, but has spent most of his career following the steps of Tim Bradley - a fighter who is undoubtedly good, top10, and world level, but someone who loses to every top fighter.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by DumpkinsPlus5 View Post
      Bomac says Crawford isn't interested in Regis, Taylor, or Ramirez. Bob Arum says he will not make Crawford vs Porter. Crawford's strategy is Spence or bust. That's a mistake, and we've seen this before.

      History is repeating itself right in front of our eyes. Golovkin ignored competitive fights, took step aside money, chased Canelo, and lost...twice. Now he has no legacy.

      To top it all off, he's old, and knows there's a big chance he gets exposed if he fights the cream of the crop of the division, or worse, moves up in weight. So he's back to ignoring competition, praying for a third Canelo fight to cash out before retiring. All with no legacy to speak of. He'll go down as a good champion with no defining victory.

      Crawford is getting bad advice, and needs to pursue a fight with the best welterweight that will fight him, Shawn Porter. We all know Shawn does whatever his daddy says, and Kenny is adamant about wanting the Crawford fight. Bob Arum comes along, and for some reason, is completely against making a fight with the one fighter who won't duck anyone.

      So, it's Spence or bust. Spence and Crawford won't fight for at least a year. Crawford will be at least 33 years old when they do fight. He's putting himself in a position where he has to win. If he loses to Spence, he'll have no career defining win. Even worse, he'll be at the end of his prime and have to try carving out a memorable career with diminishing skills. Also, his body makes him a career welterweight now.

      To Spence's advantage, he can still move up in weight. If he were to lose to Crawford, he could still carve out a great career, by moving through 154 and 160 winning titles.

      What Crawford should do is follow Pacquiao's footsteps. Pacquiao made himself an ATG before fighting Floyd. And while chasing Floyd, he beat the same opponents. Sometimes in better fashion. Pacquiao could've retired after the Floyd loss and would've still been a bonafide ATG.

      As a Crawford fan, I can't argue with anything you said.

      Good post

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Jsmooth9876 View Post
        They don't wanna pay Brook like 4 million for the fight, it's not worth it for them unless Hearn picks up the tab but then Hearn would want the fight on DAZN and that's not gonna happen.

        Arum took a bath on the Khan vs Crawford PPV, he's not dumb enough to do it twice.
        They weren't paying Brook. They wanted Hearn to pay Crawford to go to the UK to fight Brook like Lomachenko went to fight Campbell. Hearn said no

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        • #14
          I think his shutout win aganst Postol is a career defining win on his resume. Yeah, it was at 140, but that fight stamped who the undisputed at that weight class was.

          Remember, after postol sparked out Matthysse, many fans were calling this a 50/50 fight, and a lot of fans were predicting Postol to beat TC. And what did TC do? White washed him.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by DumpkinsPlus5 View Post
            Bomac says Crawford isn't interested in Regis, Taylor, or Ramirez. Bob Arum says he will not make Crawford vs Porter. Crawford's strategy is Spence or bust. That's a mistake, and we've seen this before.

            History is repeating itself right in front of our eyes. Golovkin ignored competitive fights, took step aside money, chased Canelo, and lost...twice. Now he has no legacy.

            To top it all off, he's old, and knows there's a big chance he gets exposed if he fights the cream of the crop of the division, or worse, moves up in weight. So he's back to ignoring competition, praying for a third Canelo fight to cash out before retiring. All with no legacy to speak of. He'll go down as a good champion with no defining victory.

            Crawford is getting bad advice, and needs to pursue a fight with the best welterweight that will fight him, Shawn Porter. We all know Shawn does whatever his daddy says, and Kenny is adamant about wanting the Crawford fight. Bob Arum comes along, and for some reason, is completely against making a fight with the one fighter who won't duck anyone.

            So, it's Spence or bust. Spence and Crawford won't fight for at least a year. Crawford will be at least 33 years old when they do fight. He's putting himself in a position where he has to win. If he loses to Spence, he'll have no career defining win. Even worse, he'll be at the end of his prime and have to try carving out a memorable career with diminishing skills. Also, his body makes him a career welterweight now.

            To Spence's advantage, he can still move up in weight. If he were to lose to Crawford, he could still carve out a great career, by moving through 154 and 160 winning titles.

            What Crawford should do is follow Pacquiao's footsteps. Pacquiao made himself an ATG before fighting Floyd. And while chasing Floyd, he beat the same opponents. Sometimes in better fashion. Pacquiao could've retired after the Floyd loss and would've still been a bonafide ATG.
            Since GGG made maybe 30 million bucks for the first Canelo fight and 40 million b ucks for the 2nd fight I would hardly call it a mistake to take both fights and pass on fights only paying a fraction as much. He is a prize fighter, you know. He fights for a living. Those two fights paved the way for a 100 million dollar deal wit DAZN for 6 fights. That is a bout 16 million a fight. How did GGG fuc up???? He didn't. You say he lost both fights to Canelo. Get your facts right. The first fight was a draw not a loss and he only lost the 2nd fight by a single point. Most viewers thought he got Vegas robbed and should have won both fights. He didn't take the two Canelo fights expecting to get robbed. If you are picking GGG as an example of a poor career you made a foolish pick. He tied the record for successful middleweight title defenses and will go to the hall of fame on the 1st vote. He has made more money fighting than anybody fighting today except for Pac, Canelo and a couple of heavyweights and he is a world champion right now. I would call that career a huge success.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by DumpkinsPlus5 View Post
              Bomac says Crawford isn't interested in Regis, Taylor, or Ramirez. Bob Arum says he will not make Crawford vs Porter. Crawford's strategy is Spence or bust. That's a mistake, and we've seen this before.

              History is repeating itself right in front of our eyes. Golovkin ignored competitive fights, took step aside money, chased Canelo, and lost...twice. Now he has no legacy.

              To top it all off, he's old, and knows there's a big chance he gets exposed if he fights the cream of the crop of the division, or worse, moves up in weight. So he's back to ignoring competition, praying for a third Canelo fight to cash out before retiring. All with no legacy to speak of. He'll go down as a good champion with no defining victory.

              Crawford is getting bad advice, and needs to pursue a fight with the best welterweight that will fight him, Shawn Porter. We all know Shawn does whatever his daddy says, and Kenny is adamant about wanting the Crawford fight. Bob Arum comes along, and for some reason, is completely against making a fight with the one fighter who won't duck anyone.

              So, it's Spence or bust. Spence and Crawford won't fight for at least a year. Crawford will be at least 33 years old when they do fight. He's putting himself in a position where he has to win. If he loses to Spence, he'll have no career defining win. Even worse, he'll be at the end of his prime and have to try carving out a memorable career with diminishing skills. Also, his body makes him a career welterweight now.

              To Spence's advantage, he can still move up in weight. If he were to lose to Crawford, he could still carve out a great career, by moving through 154 and 160 winning titles.

              What Crawford should do is follow Pacquiao's footsteps. Pacquiao made himself an ATG before fighting Floyd. And while chasing Floyd, he beat the same opponents. Sometimes in better fashion. Pacquiao could've retired after the Floyd loss and would've still been a bonafide ATG.
              Look out for the new boxing advisor/management from Team Dumplin!!! 🤪

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              • #17
                Originally posted by DumpkinsPlus5 View Post
                Bomac says Crawford isn't interested in Regis, Taylor, or Ramirez. Bob Arum says he will not make Crawford vs Porter. Crawford's strategy is Spence or bust. That's a mistake, and we've seen this before.

                History is repeating itself right in front of our eyes. Golovkin ignored competitive fights, took step aside money, chased Canelo, and lost...twice. Now he has no legacy.

                To top it all off, he's old, and knows there's a big chance he gets exposed if he fights the cream of the crop of the division, or worse, moves up in weight. So he's back to ignoring competition, praying for a third Canelo fight to cash out before retiring. All with no legacy to speak of. He'll go down as a good champion with no defining victory.

                Crawford is getting bad advice, and needs to pursue a fight with the best welterweight that will fight him, Shawn Porter. We all know Shawn does whatever his daddy says, and Kenny is adamant about wanting the Crawford fight. Bob Arum comes along, and for some reason, is completely against making a fight with the one fighter who won't duck anyone.

                So, it's Spence or bust. Spence and Crawford won't fight for at least a year. Crawford will be at least 33 years old when they do fight. He's putting himself in a position where he has to win. If he loses to Spence, he'll have no career defining win. Even worse, he'll be at the end of his prime and have to try carving out a memorable career with diminishing skills. Also, his body makes him a career welterweight now.

                To Spence's advantage, he can still move up in weight. If he were to lose to Crawford, he could still carve out a great career, by moving through 154 and 160 winning titles.

                What Crawford should do is follow Pacquiao's footsteps. Pacquiao made himself an ATG before fighting Floyd. And while chasing Floyd, he beat the same opponents. Sometimes in better fashion. Pacquiao could've retired after the Floyd loss and would've still been a bonafide ATG.
                I must be in the twilight zone or something. Seeing great posts on boxing, on boxing scene today.

                You're spot on and that's most likely what will happen.

                Assuming that Spence is 100% health, as if he was never in an accident to begin with.

                Spence will have cemented a case for majority money, venue, and everything. While still having room to move up in weight.

                While Crawford is going all or nothing on Spence. Not even trying to build up negotiation strength by fighting relevant boxers.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by CatchAndShoot View Post
                  I think his shutout win aganst Postol is a career defining win on his resume. Yeah, it was at 140, but that fight stamped who the undisputed at that weight class was.

                  Remember, after postol sparked out Matthysse, many fans were calling this a 50/50 fight, and a lot of fans were predicting Postol to beat TC. And what did TC do? White washed him.
                  I think what the OP is getting at is that Spence's overall legacy will have nothing to it.

                  Beating Postol is something noteworthy but ultimately will be forgotten when he hangs up his gloves.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by F l i c k e r View Post
                    I think what the OP is getting at is that Spence's overall legacy will have nothing to it.

                    Beating Postol is something noteworthy but ultimately will be forgotten when he hangs up his gloves.
                    Your first paragraph is confusing. You mean, Crawford, right?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by CatchAndShoot View Post
                      I think his shutout win aganst Postol is a career defining win on his resume. Yeah, it was at 140, but that fight stamped who the undisputed at that weight class was.

                      Remember, after postol sparked out Matthysse, many fans were calling this a 50/50 fight, and a lot of fans were predicting Postol to beat TC. And what did TC do? White washed him.
                      I agree. I remember after Postol beat Matthysse the people on here were saying that's why Danny Garcia ducked him. I picked Postol. There is a lot of revisionist history when it comes to that Postol fight

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