Anybody remember Odlanier Solis?

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  • billeau2
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    #71
    Originally posted by historian larry
    cant have talent without discipline
    I don't know about this Larry, I would have to disagree. You need both to succeed, that is absolutely true. When I was coming up in the martial arts, I was "the runt", I trained with Baltimore royalty. A lot of gang kingpins in Baltimore, a lot of guys who grew up rougher and talented...I had very little talent. I was, in fact, the one white guy in the club for a long time lol. Especially when I started...my instructor used to beat the crap out of me, to toughen me up and teach me to get comfortable...I had been in street fights, but was not a real street fighter in any way.

    I used to watch guys come in and learn techniques in a minute... and most of them lost interest...in a minute. They all had more talent than I did. But the guys in the club, my teacher supported me, threatened me "you better come back or we will find you!" (they were being good natured) and I came back, day after day, week after week, year after year. Eight years later, many of the guys I trained with were in jail, shot, had moved on. I became my teachers only second dan. second dan Black Belt does not seem like much with rank inflation, but it was like a much higher rank because we could fight.

    I never had much talent. Certainly not as a fighter. I was and am, to be fair, a great teacher and because of all my brothers I became a great fighter according to MOST standards.

    Natural talent is like a beautiful woman. It turns heads, and it makes any teacher shake. Ive seen dudes back from Vietnam, big boned, crazy aggressive, who could have been incredible fighters... Some of them could learn a technique in a minute! But seldom did they put the work in. I guess they knew they had "it" and didn't need to develop it. Yet every once in a while one of these guys stays and makes the long haul. That is remarkable when it happens.

    Almost forgot to say: I think many come in with their own gifts and need discipline to make them work at the highest levels for sure. But very few have that combination in equal parts. Floyd did for sure.
    Last edited by billeau2; 11-26-2019, 03:03 PM.

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    • Boxing Goat
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      #72
      Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
      He just posted evidence it was injured before the fight evidence you said didn't exist. Didn't you claim you were an expert on this? What an idiot.
      The LEFT leg was jelly too.

      Your whole argument and others on here has been debunked to embarrassing levels over and over again!

      Pitiful. THE FKN END

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      • PRINCEKOOL
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        #73
        He had a great fight with David Haye in the amateur ranks 'He seemed to be the guy who other than himself? Haye stated that Solis could beat both of the Kiltschko's etc'

        Solis was doing well, before the fight ended on a injury up against Vitali Kiltschko.

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          #74
          Originally posted by Boxing Goat
          Not even close. His left leg straightened out right after the punch as he lost his motor functions. His right leg was the one that was injured and later had surgery to repair. There is no other explanation as to why he couldn't use his left leg properly too if the punch had not caused the sequence of events to unfold. He got hit by a temple shot and got knocked out. At the time, I was disappointed too because I was expecting a longer fight but that is boxing.

          Sorry if that doesn't work with whatever your agenda is, but truth is truth and those are undisputable FACTS.
          There was an entire period where Solis reset after the punch. No agenda. That much of a delay would be very rare. Not trying to convince you of anything, but that delay and the injury itself speak to a certain line of conclusions to be drawn.

          I could accept something like what happened to Anthony Joshua when that punch affected him. I would grant you that Solis could have felt residual affects of that punch on his equilibrium, but we cannot prove that for one thing, and we know that his leg gave out after both fighters reset. To say that the punch caused all that is to speculate. Especially considering we knew he had the injuries before the fight.

          Again, its not impossible that Solis was affected but what appears to be the cause of his fall was his leg giving out, something verified after the fight.

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          • Boxing Goat
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            #75
            Originally posted by historian larry
            where was the "CLOBBERING"? I POSTED THE IMAGE, VIDEO AND EVERYTHING.


            The KO shot to the side of the head that knocked him out. We've been over this. A lot

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              #76
              Originally posted by Boxing Goat


              The KO shot to the side of the head that knocked him out. We've been over this. A lot
              So the vast majority agree Vitali didn't cause the injury. In fact there's only you saying he did. You're the delusional one.

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                #77
                Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
                He had a great fight with David Haye in the amateur ranks 'He seemed to be the guy who other than himself? Haye stated that Solis could beat both of the Kiltschko's etc'

                Solis was doing well, before the fight ended on a punch that then caused an injury up against Vitali Kiltschko.

                I fixed that for you for accuracy. Don't mention it

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                  He just posted evidence it was injured before the fight evidence you said didn't exist. Didn't you claim you were an expert on this? What an idiot.
                  Originally posted by Boxing Goat
                  Not even close. His left leg straightened out right after the punch as he lost his motor functions. His right leg was the one that was injured and later had surgery to repair. There is no other explanation as to why he couldn't use his left leg properly too if the punch had not caused the sequence of events to unfold. He got hit by a temple shot and got knocked out. At the time, I was disappointed too because I was expecting a longer fight but that is boxing.

                  Sorry if that doesn't work with whatever your agenda is, but truth is truth and those are undisputable FACTS.
                  Trying to follow Boxing Goat's logic here....

                  [IMG]https://media1.*****.com/media/xTcf1gUpg87E5lNK2A/*****.gif[/IMG]

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                  • Boxing Goat
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by billeau2
                    There was an entire period where Solis reset after the punch. No agenda. That much of a delay would be very rare. Not trying to convince you of anything, but that delay and the injury itself speak to a certain line of conclusions to be drawn.

                    I could accept something like what happened to Anthony Joshua when that punch affected him. I would grant you that Solis could have felt residual affects of that punch on his equilibrium, but we cannot prove that for one thing, and we know that his leg gave out after both fighters reset. To say that the punch caused all that is to speculate. Especially considering we knew he had the injuries before the fight.

                    Again, its not impossible that Solis was affected but what appears to be the cause of his fall was his leg giving out, something verified after the fight.
                    Whatever you think is fine but the FACT is that he was hit cleanly, lost all leg function and fell as a result. He injured his right leg in the fall and not before he got hit. It's well documented.

                    That's the truth and that's the record.

                    End of discussion.

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                    • Boxing Goat
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                      So the vast majority agree Vitali didn't cause the injury. In fact there's only you saying he did. You're the delusional one.
                      Whatever YOU think is fine but the FACT is that he was hit cleanly, lost all leg function and fell as a result. He injured his right leg in the fall and not before he got hit. It's well documented. There's no faking Zab Judah legs buddy.

                      That's the truth and that's the record.

                      Open your eyes and actually watch what happened.

                      End of discussion for all of you dim bulbs.

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