Could Eddie Futch or Emanuel Stewart make Wilder more technically sound?

[New England]

I think the thread is actually saying would Steward be able to produce a better Wilder from the beginning but it would nt matter he would be able to get a better game plan at any time for even one fight. Did you forget Holyfield defeated Bowe just once with Steward in his corner ? Steward is one of the great trainers of all time and that came with a loud voice of instructions, not whispering like Breland brings.

corner work is incredibly overrated. makes for a nice story but the fighter's instincts are what matters, and you create those in the gym.


would one of the best trainers ever produce a better fighter than one who has very little track record for producing great HW? do you really need to ask or think that's worth a thread? i don't think that's what the TS wanted to know. he wanted to know if someone could "fix" wilder, and the answer at this age is a resounding no. took wladimir years and years to fix wladimir kltischko, who had a legit amateur background and was just a more coordinated athlete and more measured puncher by his nature.

[champion4ever]

Or is Wilder just this kind of fighter.

Well, if Mark Breland can teach him how to throw that right hand then I don't see no reason why the other trainers Steward and Futch couldn't develop him into being a more complete and well-rounded fighter.

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Lennox Lewis disagrees

About what .

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corner work is incredibly overrated. makes for a nice story but the fighter's instincts are what matters, and you create those in the gym.


would one of the best trainers ever produce a better fighter than one who has very little track record for producing great HW? do you really need to ask or think that's worth a thread? i don't think that's what the TS wanted to know. he wanted to know if someone could "fix" wilder, and the answer at this age is a resounding no. took wladimir years and years to fix wladimir kltischko, who had a legit amateur background and was just a more coordinated athlete and more measured puncher by his nature.

How is corner work overated ,its the key point of being successful as a fighter and with a guy like wilder its just simple instructions, we know he lost the Fury fight maybe not if Steward was in there. ? Ha

Anyone who knows boxing would know a guy like steward would fix many things on wilder he was a master at reforming guys like Wlad and Lewis . You cant be serious if you are saying Steward couldn't fix Wilders mistakes wheather its one or multiple ones.

[ecto55]

Hmm, the Breland thing is what puzzles me.

Breland was very technically sound, disciplined, a technician - technically a true boxer-puncher, but he seems to have difficulty imparting these attributes to Wilder.

I wonder if it is deliberate - ie. keep Wilder an unorthodox 'puncher'...just am curious to know the rational.

Wilder's so athletically talented that I'm sure they could have (still could) hot-housed him so he'd be much better technically than he is.

Or is Wilder happy where he is and not keen to learn more than just having the ability to ;land / set up his power.

[D4thincarnation]

Steward would do the same job on Wilder as he did on Hamed.

Fighters have to play to their strengths and be themselves.

Changing it will only take their strength away.

[QueensburyRules]

Or is Wilder just this kind of fighter.

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[Scipio2009]

Yes and no

Or is Wilder just this kind of fighter.

Wilder has been throwing hands, amateur or professional, for basically 15 years at this point. Context purposes, if he started at 10 years old, he'd be 25 (pretty much where Tank Davis is now).

Still, Wilder is what he is, and linking up with Mark Breland was basically perfect for Wilder (namely because Breland and Wilder's styles are basically the same, to the point that, in looking at Breland's career, you can basically see what Wilder is likely to look like when he maxes out).

If you give Emmanuel Steward Deontay Wilder as a 15 year old, maybe you end up with something special.

Doubt that the result is the same if either gets Wilder as a 20 year old novice

[Scipio2009]

How is corner work overated ,its the key point of being successful as a fighter and with a guy like wilder its just simple instructions, we know he lost the Fury fight maybe not if Steward was in there. ? Ha

Anyone who knows boxing would know a guy like steward would fix many things on wilder he was a master at reforming guys like Wlad and Lewis . You cant be serious if you are saying Steward couldn't fix Wilders mistakes wheather its one or multiple ones.

Lewis and Wladimir had extensive amateur careers; Wilder walked into a gym at 20 years of age wanting to box.

When have you ever heard of Emmanuel Steward, working with a guy without any real experience, and developing said fighter?

[Scipio2009]

Hmm, the Breland thing is what puzzles me.

Breland was very technically sound, disciplined, a technician - technically a true boxer-puncher, but he seems to have difficulty imparting these attributes to Wilder.

I wonder if it is deliberate - ie. keep Wilder an unorthodox 'puncher'...just am curious to know the rational.

Wilder's so athletically talented that I'm sure they could have (still could) hot-housed him so he'd be much better technically than he is.

Or is Wilder happy where he is and not keen to learn more than just having the ability to ;land / set up his power.

Wilder, in 15 years of throwing hands, went from being an utter novice to having one of the best lead hands in the heavyweight division, and delivering that right hand in it's purest form.

All you have to do is look at the right hand that put out Kelvin Price in 2012, and compare it to the right hand that put out Luis Ortiz.

Wilder's still a work in progress, but he's co-ordinated with his feet, has a great grasp of the range he wants to control, has a really good jab, is starting to use that left hook more, is starting to get confidence in that uppercut, and he's processing quickly when he has opportunities to land that open up.

It's a long process, but don't let that death touch of a straight right deceive you