What's your opinion on people that use compubox to score rounds?

[Blond Beast]

We are all compuboxes. We watch a fight and score who lands the most punches.

Or am I missing something ?

Well I think that’s misleading to say “score who lands the most punches”. It’s not like u ever watched a fight and kept an accurate running tally of punches landed for both fighters? Nor would u automatically give the round to whoever lands the most? Obviously not all punches landed are equal, because we constantly talk about punching power and chin resistance. A KD punch is worth more than a jab. We are all making assumptions in our head over who is taking the most punishment right? We aren’t really “all compuboxes” because we can give our own value to each punch, where compubox can record numbers there’s no implied value to any of them. Does that make any sense?

[Curtis Harper]

Well I think that’s misleading to say “score who lands the most punches”. It’s not like u ever watched a fight and kept an accurate running tally of punches landed for both fighters? Nor would u automatically give the round to whoever lands the most? Obviously not all punches landed are equal, because we constantly talk about punching power and chin resistance. A KD punch is worth more than a jab. We are all making assumptions in our head over who is taking the most punishment right? We aren’t really “all compuboxes” because we can give our own value to each punch, where compubox can record numbers there’s no implied value to any of them. Does that make any sense?

It's not that complicate unless the viewer is distracted, high or drunk. And very few fights are frenetically paced back and forths where a person can't keep up.

Most people will deny this but they will give their guy 99% of every close round on those ''sophisticated scoring categories like intangibles''

These NSB pro scorers are wasting their time here

EDIT -
Some things don't need to be said. IE, KD > JAB. What needs to be said is not every kd round is an automatic 10-8. For example, Sergio 12 rd vs Jr. Sergio was kd but I scored that rd even. Sergio won 90% of that rd but you have to give ''extra credit'' for kd's.

[TJ highway]

Compubox does not tell the whole story!

[Curtis Harper]

Compubox does not tell the whole story!

No one (at least not me) claims it does. What it does and what we do is score fights on something that can be seen, punches thrown. It either lands or it doesn't.

When we say ''punch'', it is all inclusive.

Combos, hooks, jabs, body blows....
Hook ''USUALLY'' > Jab
The value of each punch should be based on the effect it has. Was it a glancing shot ? Was it on the back of the head ? Was it low ?

Also, if ''A'' only lands one punch and it's a knockdown, does he win the round even if ''B'' out landed him 10 to 1 in that same round ?

And what if they were both knocked down but one was flash and the other was flush ? Is that an even round ?

You can be crafty and slick with scoring BUT, if everything else is ''equal'', who lands the most punches should win.

[Guest]

It's a fairly useful tool, but has to be taken with a pinch of, obviously. I'm not keen on those who push up the stats at the end to "prove" things.

A guy could be winning a round for 2 minutes, 40 seconds by controlling the pace, and establishing everything behind the jab. Let's say he jabs the the guy 11 times and the other guy lands nothing. Then at the end, just before the bell, the guy who has spent all but 20 seconds of the round landing NOTHING suddenly gets in an insignificant flurry. Nothing on it, but he lands 12 of them. Do we say he won the round?

[Toffee]

There's the problem that Compubox frequently get it very wrong.

Rewatch Ortiz/Wilder 2 and tell me that Ortiz didn't land a single jab until he managed just one in the 5th Round. Tell me you can only find 2 landed punches by Ortiz in the 4th.

I'm rewatching now. The stats are so far off as to be irrelevant.

[Blond Beast]

It's not that complicate unless the viewer is distracted, high or drunk. And very few fights are frenetically paced back and forths where a person can't keep up.

Most people will deny this but they will give their guy 99% of every close round on those ''sophisticated scoring categories like intangibles''

These NSB pro scorers are wasting their time here

EDIT -
Some things don't need to be said. IE, KD > JAB. What needs to be said is not every kd round is an automatic 10-8. For example, Sergio 12 rd vs Jr. Sergio was kd but I scored that rd even. Sergio won 90% of that rd but you have to give ''extra credit'' for kd's.

“ We watch a fight and score who lands the most punches?, am I missing something?” is what u wrote. I’m not sure how literal we are supposed to take that comment, u did write it pretty matter of fact. I often like ur posts, prolly why I jumped on it to have a debate. But surely uve scored a round for someone who landed less punches than the opponent? Scoring a round must truly be complicated or things wouldn’t always be so controversial. If it was as easy as counting punches landed then why not use the old amateur system of judges pressing buttons? I mean the idea of picking who won a round is not complicated, but the current parameters are not based on a format as easy as counting punches? Maybe I’m missing what ur trying to say. But there’s nothing easy about getting three eye witnesses to agree about anything. Even getting three people to count and say what punches landed would never end with the same numbers, and slow mo reply would make everyone look bad. I agree that if u score a KD it shouldn’t mean u automatically win the round also. Maybe I’m missing ur point.

[Curtis Harper]

No one (at least not me) claims it does. What it does and what we do is score fights on something that can be seen, punches thrown. It either lands or it doesn't.

When we say ''punch'', it is all inclusive.

Combos, hooks, jabs, body blows....
Hook ''USUALLY'' > Jab
The value of each punch should be based on the effect it has. Was it a glancing shot ? Was it on the back of the head ? Was it low ?

Also, if ''A'' only lands one punch and it's a knockdown, does he win the round even if ''B'' out landed him 10 to 1 in that same round ?

And what if they were both knocked down but one was flash and the other was flush ? Is that an even round ?

You can be crafty and slick with scoring BUT, if everything else is ''equal'', who lands the most punches should win.

“ We watch a fight and score who lands the most punches?, am I missing something?” is what u wrote. I’m not sure how literal we are supposed to take that comment, u did write it pretty matter of fact. I often like ur posts, prolly why I jumped on it to have a debate. But surely uve scored a round for someone who landed less punches than the opponent? Scoring a round must truly be complicated or things wouldn’t always be so controversial. If it was as easy as counting punches landed then why not use the old amateur system of judges pressing buttons? I mean the idea of picking who won a round is not complicated, but the current parameters are not based on a format as easy as counting punches? Maybe I’m missing what ur trying to say. But there’s nothing easy about getting three eye witnesses to agree about anything. Even getting three people to count and say what punches landed would never end with the same numbers, and slow mo reply would make everyone look bad. I agree that if u score a KD it shouldn’t mean u automatically win the round also. Maybe I’m missing ur point.

That statement is at its most basic. If you had to sum up a reason why someone won a fight BARRING A KO........

C'mon now

[aboutfkntime]

1) compubox is inaccurate - it is simply wrong

2) compubox is irrelevant - compubox does not record official judging criteria

anyone who thinks that judges are counting punches on their fingers, is a total fkn idiot

judges are not interested in pawing/pushed/fending jabs... they will not score that shlt you dumbasses... totally ineffective body-tapping in the clinch... none of that stuff matters, or scores, you dumbasses... anything that touches gloves/shoulders/forearms... nada

the judging criteria is quite clear... CLEAN HARD PUNCHING

oh and btw... compubox does not score/allow for ring generalship, defense, and effective aggression... so even in its simplest form, in no capacity could compubox be regarded as official judging criteria

compubox is for fkn idiots who have no idea what they just saw

who wins the exchanges and who controls the fight are far more important

I will provide an example, for the REALLY dumb... Pac/JMM III

add up everything, and I suspect that fight is relatively close... which is why you have ret4rded pacfans arguing that Pac won... but if you look at who controlled the fight and who got the better of the exchanges... that is why Ronnie Nathanielz, Ben Delgado, and a licensed referee... all watched that fight together and insist that Marquez won

the result of compubox is that it most often dumbs-down the already-dumb

BaguMka, Curtis Harper, Greg House, YGriffith, Boxing1013... wow, you guys are dumb lol

[aboutfkntime]

1) compubox is inaccurate - it is simply wrong

2) compubox is irrelevant - compubox does not record official judging criteria

anyone who thinks that judges are counting punches on their fingers, is a total fkn idiot

judges are not interested in pawing/pushed/fending jabs... they will not score that shlt you dumbasses... totally ineffective body-tapping in the clinch... none of that stuff matters, or scores, you dumbasses... anything that touches gloves/shoulders/forearms... nada

the judging criteria is quite clear... CLEAN HARD PUNCHING

oh and btw... compubox does not score/allow for ring generalship, defense, and effective aggression... so even in its simplest form, in no capacity could compubox be regarded as official judging criteria

compubox is for fkn idiots who have no idea what they just saw

who wins the exchanges and who controls the fight are far more important

I will provide an example, for the REALLY dumb... Pac/JMM III

add up everything, and I suspect that fight is relatively close... which is why you have ret4rded pacfans arguing that Pac won... but if you look at who controlled the fight and who got the better of the exchanges... that is why Ronnie Nathanielz, Ben Delgado, and a licensed referee... all watched that fight together and insist that Marquez won

the result of compubox is that it most often dumbs-down the already-dumb

BaguMka, Curtis Harper, Greg House, YGriffith, Boxing1013... wow, you guys are dumb lol

ooops, did I wreck this thread... ?