Which win is more impressive, in Pac/Thurman or Canelo/Kovalev

[Vodkaholic]

Why isnt there a poll?
Pac-thurman easily

[aboutfkntime]

Okay now I think you're trolling...

Shawn Porter is a better fighter than Kovalev, so is Danny Garcia. They have better resumes, this isn't an opinion. 'Barely' beating them is still beating them.

Kovalev's best win is indeed a loss to Ward. Some 'killer'. Keith and Spence look about the same level to me, they have different skills and traits but didn't Spence also 'barely' beat Porter?

Anyway, you didn't directly address my points. Who has Kovalev beaten anywhere near Porter or Garcia's level? Sure he's a killer when he's fighting low level comp and 50 year olds...

arguably, Andre Ward... you cannot somehow dismiss that fight bro

Kovalev's performance in that fight, when he arguably beat Andre fkn Ward... is better than anything either of those guys have ever done

he also beat Hopkins man, come on

Pascal/Alvarez, and a TON of young lions who were undefeated/promising fighters... and they all got viciously knocked out...

... Kovalev had a excellent run as champion, knocking everyone out... he was a killer... neither Garcia nor Porter are killers... and who the hell did Keith ever knock out?

the closest you can get to that would be Garcia's run at 140

Kovalev > Thurman... he is a better fighter and he has a better resume

the only question... is Pac winning at 40yo, against a largely unproven mid-level welter who has not looked the same since returning from injury/inactivity... more impressive than Canelo jumping TWO divisions, to beat a killer who has shown signs of slippage

in truth, the question will become more clear in time... when we see where Kovalev/Thurman go from here... how Yarde/Alvarez look against the other top LHW's... but I think that Canelos win is more impressive... I did not think that Canelo would knock Kovalev out, not after going 12 with guys like Golovkin/Chavez/Jacobs... and I was never sold on Thurman...

I thought Thurman's ' One Time ' was against Porter, who I would highly favor in a rematch... Porter would have been a better win for Pac

also... this is not a HUGE factor in my reasoning, but... Pac suddenly puts on his best performance in YEARS - since before he started testing in 2015 - in a fight that (bizarrely) had no VADA testing... ???

all I am saying is, Pac's next fight could shed more light on that unusual situation... and yes, it is unusual to have no drug testing for a world title fight in this day and age

that is NOT the main factor in my reasoning, so no big deal... just... strange, is all

in truth, the question will become more clear in time... but I think the proven/slipping achievement (Kovalev) beats the unproven/slipping achievement (Thurman)... especially considering the fact that the Pac/Thurman fight was close and Canelo stopped Kovalev

the fact that we are debating this proves how good Pacquiao is

that certainly was a good performance... but time will shed the correct light on both of those fights

[hugh grant]

Buddy Mcgert was going to throw towel in against yarde. That's how bad kovakev was in.last fight.
Plus kovakev had lost badly a few times before nel o beat kovalev.
Pac s wins greater especially historically. People have stepped up 2 divisions and won. Especially young lions like nel o was against past it fighters. What Pac did hasn't been done. Pac beating thurman killed 3 birds with 1 stone breaking records left, right and centre. Oldest WW ever, 3 time ww champ, etc etc
So it's a no brainer. But some people don't need excuse to debate the no debateable

[Chrismart]

It's Manny's win for me.

[hugh grant]

Plus Pac s win is better than flouds win over nelo. Let's make no mistake about that

[John Locke]

arguably, Andre Ward... you cannot somehow dismiss that fight bro

Kovalev's performance in that fight, when he arguably beat Andre fkn Ward... is better than anything either of those guys have ever done

he also beat Hopkins man, come on

Pascal/Alvarez, and a TON of young lions who were undefeated/promising fighters... and they all got viciously knocked out...

... Kovalev had a excellent run as champion, knocking everyone out... he was a killer... neither Garcia nor Porter are killers... and who the hell did Keith ever knock out?

the closest you can get to that would be Garcia's run at 140

Kovalev > Thurman... he is a better fighter and he has a better resume

the only question... is Pac winning at 40yo, against a largely unproven mid-level welter who has not looked the same since returning from injury/inactivity... more impressive than Canelo jumping TWO divisions, to beat a killer who has shown signs of slippage

in truth, the question will become more clear in time... when we see where Kovalev/Thurman go from here... how Yarde/Alvarez look against the other top LHW's... but I think that Canelos win is more impressive... I did not think that Canelo would knock Kovalev out, not after going 12 with guys like Golovkin/Chavez/Jacobs... and I was never sold on Thurman...

I thought Thurman's ' One Time ' was against Porter, who I would highly favor in a rematch... Porter would have been a better win for Pac

also... this is not a HUGE factor in my reasoning, but... Pac suddenly puts on his best performance in YEARS - since before he started testing in 2015 - in a fight that (bizarrely) had no VADA testing... ???

all I am saying is, Pac's next fight could shed more light on that unusual situation... and yes, it is unusual to have no drug testing for a world title fight in this day and age

that is NOT the main factor in my reasoning, so no big deal... just... strange, is all

in truth, the question will become more clear in time... but I think the proven/slipping achievement (Kovalev) beats the unproven/slipping achievement (Thurman)... especially considering the fact that the Pac/Thurman fight was close and Canelo stopped Kovalev

the fact that we are debating this proves how good Pacquiao is

that certainly was a good performance... but time will shed the correct light on both of those fights

Oh my...

Bro losing to Andre Ward is not better than beating Porter or Garcia, those guys are also A level fighters. And Hopkins was 50 years old my friend.

Pascal and Alvarez? Those are Guerrero level wins. And what exactly is a killer? Someone who knocks out a 'ton of young lions) who you can't seem to name? Which promising fighters are you talking about? Anyone proven/recognizable?

You can't name me a better fighter than Porter or Garcia that he has beaten, but you're saying he has a better resume? Please explain this to me. And if we're including losses on resume, Pacquiao is an all time great, maybe I should include that as a win for Thurman cos it was a close fight?

Largely unproven welter? More like the #1, most proven welterweight in the world at the time brother. You're re-writing history. How many other unified welterweight champions can you name me from the last 20-30 years?

Canelo scored a KO because he had an easier opponent, despite going up in weight and lets not forget Keith is naturally bigger than Pacman.

[meat_abstract]

IMO this is all pretty transparent: Kovalev is shot and that's why Alavrez picked him. His chin is busted and he has stamina problems - nearly anybody who can survive into the 2nd half of a fight can KO him now. Kovalev probably also knows this, which is why he needs to cash out and retire - which is why he took the Alvarez fight. Unless Ward had come back to fight him again, Alvarez was the biggest money fight possible. Now he just needs to be smart and actually retire before someone like Beterbiev lobotomizes him.

Pac and his team also cherry-picked Thurman. Thurman isn't shot, but he was a good style matchup for Pac - a cautious, straight up & down one-two-from-the-outside kind of fighter. Exactly the kind of guy that Pac can outwork, and that will have trouble with Pac's angles and footwork. But there was still a huge risk that 40-year-old Pac actually couldn't outwork him, or that Pac would get caught with a huge counter like he did with Marquez.

Basically, Pac had to really work for that win, and get rounds against a younger guy that probably hits just as hard as he does at this point. Canelo really just had to tolerate Kovalev's jab for 6 rounds and tire out an older guy before lowering the boom.

Pac over Thurman was a way better win.

[FredRekk]

And not to mention pac outclassed Thurman.

[aboutfkntime]

Oh my...

Bro losing to Andre Ward is not better than beating Porter or Garcia, those guys are also A level fighters. And Hopkins was 50 years old my friend.

Pascal and Alvarez? Those are Guerrero level wins. And what exactly is a killer? Someone who knocks out a 'ton of young lions) who you can't seem to name? Which promising fighters are you talking about? Anyone proven/recognizable?

You can't name me a better fighter than Porter or Garcia that he has beaten, but you're saying he has a better resume? Please explain this to me. And if we're including losses on resume, Pacquiao is an all time great, maybe I should include that as a win for Thurman cos it was a close fight?

Largely unproven welter? More like the #1, most proven welterweight in the world at the time brother. You're re-writing history. How many other unified welterweight champions can you name me from the last 20-30 years?

Canelo scored a KO because he had an easier opponent, despite going up in weight and lets not forget Keith is naturally bigger than Pacman.

Ward is a ATG dude, and so is Hopkins...

I will say it again... Kovalev's performance in that fight, when he arguably beat Andre fkn Ward... is better than anything either of those guys have ever done

Thurman is barely even a top 5 welter... I got him ranked #5

I was never sold on Thurman, and he has not looked the same since returning from injury/inactivity

a few miles on a killer... is much better than a few miles on a solid contender

again, who the fk did Keith ever hurt in the ring?

[Roadblock]

Buddy Mcgert was going to throw towel in against yarde. That's how bad kovakev was in.last fight.
Plus kovakev had lost badly a few times before nel o beat kovalev.
Pac s wins greater especially historically. People have stepped up 2 divisions and won. Especially young lions like nel o was against past it fighters. What Pac did hasn't been done. Pac beating thurman killed 3 birds with 1 stone breaking records left, right and centre. Oldest WW ever, 3 time ww champ, etc etc
So it's a no brainer. But some people don't need excuse to debate the no debateable

Had nothing to do with Yarde or being hurt and everything to do with his fighter dying recently and Buddy being very sensitive to that.

People with no brains shouldn't be talking no brainer.