So, SHO's Espinoza said, "Deal didn't make sense for us"

[lolpz]

Fight went to Fox, instead.
Where else would it go?

Showtime wasn't willing to put up that kind of money, simple.

With Ortiz making $7mil, it didn't make sense for Showtime to take up that fight card.

My question to you is, what exactly are you getting at? You think it made sense for Showtime or something? I'm confused.

[DaNeutral.]

Showtime had to overpay Wilder and lost money on the Breazeale fight. They felt it was Fox's turn to take a financial hit. Wilder v Ortiz 2 wont even make enough money to pay both fighters let alone pay everybody else and make a profit. Ive seen some LDBC idiots on Youtube claim this fight could hit a million PPV's. So obviously the morons who listen to their drivel are going to run with it cuz they believe their BS.

What i usually say is ticket sales are a good feeler for PPV sales and im hearing this aint selling tickets so they have had to slash up to 80% off them. So my gut feeling is PPV sales are going to bomb too.

Dont get me wrong i dont care either way, as long as i get to watch it thats all that matters, im interested in the Boxing not how many empty seats there may be. BUT. Pro PBC goons are pushing narratives and agenda's based on ticket and PPV sales. Still trying to convince us Wilder is some mega star whos fame lives on the same level of a Joshua or a Canelo and then use that to defend all Wilders duckings of Anthony Joshua fights.

Hell i heard Mannix. Wilder sells out any stadium in America, In the Fury fight it was all Wilder fans, Wilder made Fury famous. 99% of top fighters are PBC. LOL. If the PBC are going in their own direction fighting over their own belts i hope this hasnt been given the green light due to the numbers they keep lying about. Cuz life and business runs on reality not made up wishful numbers and spin.

[Laligalaliga]

Luis will be making in excess of $7 million in this fight bruh, according to Coppinger.

Lol......so how much will wilder make then?

[Articulateboxin]

Also according to his trainer who said all the way back in April on Tha Boxing Voice that if Ortiz manager (not Haymon) turns down the Joshua fight he has a contract clause that guarantees Ortiz a similar payday for his next fight. So if the $7 mil offer from Hearn was legit then Ortiz is getting $7 mil for Wilder

Well Ortiz's manager confirmed the offer was legit, however i'm really confused about the contract clause. Ortiz's contract would have pre-dated the Joshua offer, so does this mean they generated an entirely new contract, just so he fought Wilder instead of Joshua? I don't understand why they would go to such lengths to keep Ortiz off DAZN or why Showtime didn't think the fight was viable.

If Ortiz is earning $7m minimum, I guess it's fair to assume Wilder is being paid $15-$20m? Let's call it 18 for easiness sake.The PPV is $75, so for the network/rights owner to break even, they only need to sell 330k PPVs. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me? Even if Wilder was on something like 12m, that means the PPV sales only need to reach 245k'ish, which should be quite easy for them to do considering Wilder's stature. (any fighter earning 10m+ has to be a huge draw)

[Laligalaliga]

Of course. They're all working together to save face and spite Hearn. Not hard to lie bruh.

Question you must be asking is, if this didn't make sense for Showtime, why would it make sense for Fox? The numbers don't add up. Even Maidana, who is more sellable, didn't get that kind of money from the PPV queen.

Wilder boys can believe anything that fits their agenda.

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

Well Ortiz's manager confirmed the offer was legit, however i'm really confused about the contract clause. Ortiz's contract would have pre-dated the Joshua offer, so does this mean they generated an entirely new contract, just so he fought Wilder instead of Joshua? I don't understand why they would go to such lengths to keep Ortiz off DAZN or why Showtime didn't think the fight was viable.

If Ortiz is earning $7m minimum, I guess it's fair to assume Wilder is being paid $15-$20m? Let's call it 18 for easiness sake.The PPV is $75, so for the network/rights owner to break even, they only need to sell 330k PPVs. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me? Even if Wilder was on something like 12m, that means the PPV sales only need to reach 245k'ish, which should be quite easy for them to do considering Wilder's stature. (any fighter earning 10m+ has to be a huge draw)

They need to do a lot more buys than you have calculated to make money or just to cover this event.

[Robbie Barrett]

Showtime lost money paying Wilder for Breazeale in hope they'd get Joshua-Wilder, they simply weren't willing to do that again after Joshua lost.

[Robbie Barrett]

Well Ortiz's manager confirmed the offer was legit, however i'm really confused about the contract clause. Ortiz's contract would have pre-dated the Joshua offer, so does this mean they generated an entirely new contract, just so he fought Wilder instead of Joshua? I don't understand why they would go to such lengths to keep Ortiz off DAZN or why Showtime didn't think the fight was viable.

If Ortiz is earning $7m minimum, I guess it's fair to assume Wilder is being paid $15-$20m? Let's call it 18 for easiness sake.The PPV is $75, so for the network/rights owner to break even, they only need to sell 330k PPVs. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me? Even if Wilder was on something like 12m, that means the PPV sales only need to reach 245k'ish, which should be quite easy for them to do considering Wilder's stature. (any fighter earning 10m+ has to be a huge draw)

Cable providers take around half the PPV money so double your numbers.

[Blond Beast]

Cable providers take around half the PPV money so double your numbers.

I remember promoters complaining ( course that’s their job ) about how the cable providers take a huge chunk of the revenue. I’d think ur approximates are more likely. Still what do I know, or any of us really? The numbers are always hidden, or skewed. We still speculate about total purses and profits. Part of boxing has always been the hype, guaranteed numbers take away from that. I remember when promoters would say it takes weeks/months to get ppv numbers in, but that was usually on suspected duds. When a ppv did well, they’d have no problem dropping numbers within days. Is there anyway to actually know what ppvs made or lost?

[Articulateboxin]

Cable providers take around half the PPV money so double your numbers.

Ahhhh I thought the provider will pay a flat fee to broadcast the show and they take the income from the PPV. (which explains why showtime didn't think the sums added up, they would have to pay out more than they expected to recoup)