PBC Boxers are officially PAWNS, Company Men, whoring for Nerworks

[The Big Dunn]

LOL, nervous. Personally i think the PBC are embarrassing themselves infront of the worlds eyes. They losing respect daily. You think they are in a strong position to take over UFC style? LOL, they are committing business suicide. its guna take a bit of time to bleed out but bleed out they will. Told you ages ago, the PBC is becoming a cult. And Haymon is a massive cult.

How are they losing respect? They have a great TV deal, are selling ppvs, and are profitable.

They have a strong foothold in the 2 glamour divisions-hwt and ww- and a large roster of quality boxers.

Saying pbc is a cult is just you being upset it’s run by a black man that markets toward the African American community and that he is successful at it.

Haymon is a successful businessman that has a proven track record. Every time someone line you predicts pbc’s downfall, they end up looking foolish. You

[The Big Dunn]

Fighters competing only on shows promoted by their own promoter, and fighting only for "world titles" created by their own promoter, has made MMA a much more divided sport than boxing.

In MMA, you never see unification fights between, eg, the UFC HW champion and the Bellator HW champion. If they wanted to fight each other, one or the other would have to give up his title, buy out his contract - if he could - and sign with the other guy's promoter.

I hope and pray we never see that situation in boxing. Multiple sanctioning organisation world titles is bad enough, but at least they are open to all licensed fighters. Multiple promotional company world titles, open only to fighters who compete exclusively under that banner, would be a worse situation by far.

Imagine if we had a PBC world champion, a Matchroom World Champion, Top Rank World Champion, a Golden Boy World Champion, a K2 World Champion, etc, etc ... and none of them even eligible to fight each other.

That's what the "UFC model" would mean in boxing. It's a bad model for the sport!

Good point but ufc and bellator are not on even footing. UFC for the most part is seen as the majors and bellator is seen as a little below, sort of like div 1 and div 1aa. Or the “minors” for lack of a better term.

If boxing creates a situation where all the perceived beat guys are in one company and are competing against each other I think that would help the sport.

Also, the guys in the “minors” would be evenly matched against each other and we as fans would still be able to enjoy the competition.

There are negatives and positives for sure.

[DaNeutral.]

How are they losing respect? They have a great TV deal, are selling ppvs, and are profitable.

They have a strong foothold in the 2 glamour divisions-hwt and ww- and a large roster of quality boxers.

Saying pbc is a cult is just you being upset it’s run by a black man that markets toward the African American community and that he is successful at it.

Haymon is a successful businessman that has a proven track record. Every time someone line you predicts pbc’s downfall, they end up looking foolish. You

LOL. Constantly pulling out the race card. Haymon is not a black man he is a business man. Hes cost his prize heavyweight a hundred million and more, Wilder could of been undisputed by now but Haymon didnt wana give DAZN any chance to grow. Spence believes he beats Crawford, thats the fight everybody wants. Haymon isnt allowing it. Spence has to fight PBC fighters and got them all pretending Crawford or his belt done exist.

So dont be pulling your little gay race card on me because Haymon is a black man. For all i can see that BUSINESS MAN is screwing over his black fighters to suit his business plans, screwing over black Boxing fans who want to see fights like Crawford v Spence or Joshua v Wilder and screwing over black Boxing fans again with trying to make as many PPV's out of any half decent fight which are filled with sub par under cards.

You think you are defending some black man from racists? There is no black left in Al Haymon every move he makes benefits him and his black fighters seem to end up with a worse deal than the ones he is getting them to turn down. And im not even sure what it is you think he does for black fight fans more than any other promoter is or isnt doing.

Got nothing to do with colour. I dont like the way he is blocking big fights cuz i want to watch those fights and i dont like the way it seems to be the trend that in order to defend and protect the PBC they need to crap on anything else. Mud slinging at the competition is a real dirty business technique and thats what seems to be happening.

[boliodogs]

You're just not widdit anymore.

[Ray*]

I don't agree with what they're doing, but the UFC started and still works with segregation. Then they got the most attention and promotion, grew their brand and attracted the best fighters there while buying smaller companies.

Hypothetically the PBC can continue building their brand and gaining the most viewers. Kill the competition and acquiring their talent. Forcing top fighters outside of their brand to join them and become there UFC.

Hopefully that would never happen in boxing. And the fact that boxing is over 100 years old meant it wouldn’t. So basically PBC are making themselves an island. Segregating themselves from anyone else, no one should support that BS in boxing.

[jdp28tx]

LOL. Constantly pulling out the race card. Haymon is not a black man he is a business man. Hes cost his prize heavyweight a hundred million and more, Wilder could of been undisputed by now but Haymon didnt wana give DAZN any chance to grow. Spence believes he beats Crawford, thats the fight everybody wants. Haymon isnt allowing it. Spence has to fight PBC fighters and got them all pretending Crawford or his belt done exist.

So dont be pulling your little gay race card on me because Haymon is a black man. For all i can see that BUSINESS MAN is screwing over his black fighters to suit his business plans, screwing over black Boxing fans who want to see fights like Crawford v Spence or Joshua v Wilder and screwing over black Boxing fans again with trying to make as many PPV's out of any half decent fight which are filled with sub par under cards.

You think you are defending some black man from racists? There is no black left in Al Haymon every move he makes benefits him and his black fighters seem to end up with a worse deal than the ones he is getting them to turn down. And im not even sure what it is you think he does for black fight fans more than any other promoter is or isnt doing.

Got nothing to do with colour. I dont like the way he is blocking big fights cuz i want to watch those fights and i dont like the way it seems to be the trend that in order to defend and protect the PBC they need to crap on anything else. Mud slinging at the competition is a real dirty business technique and thats what seems to be happening.

Very good analysis. Haymon only cares about Haymon's business he does not really care about individual success of his fighters. In a way he is like Vince McMahon (but much less successful) he does not want any of his fighters to get too big or bigger than he is or bigger than PBC (even though PBC has been a failed product). This way he can always have his fighters under his thumb.

He has a conundrum because he needs a big star like Canelo or Mayweather in order for the PBC to grow and become successful, but he is afraid such a star would have leverage over him, possibly leave him, demand equal or majority authority over fighter's career and money.

BTW way Haymon in boxing rarely ever makes money or puts his own money at risk. He usually gets his money from investors then pays himself a huge amount, but then loses all of the investors money. His big push for PBC to takeover boxing failed in dramatic style ending in empty arenas, losses of over $400 million, cancelled PBC shows on 90% of the networks PBC was on, angry fighters angry about their careers, and lawsuits.

The worst of it all is Haymon has not learned from his spectacular failures. He still uses the same boring formulas which include making fights no one wants, promoting mostly mismatches, and refusing to have his top talent fight the best fighters whether or not the best fighters are with PBC. So far the result is most of his fights do not sell and his fighters fight in half empty arenas. Fox signed PBC because Fox and the networks are desperate for sports or sports related shows due to the competition of streaming services. Another reason FOX signed PBC despite its failed history is the top man at FOX has terrifically bad judgment and some of his decisions are already coming back to haunt him such as letting go of UFC. Other examples include paying WWE more than a billion dollars. So far WWE's viewership on FOX has been pretty bad with ratings continuing to fall.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

after praising DAZN for ks1 v Paul..

KSI vs Logan Paul is a way better fight than

than title defenses
Caleb Plant vs Alfredo Angulo
Caleb Plant vs Mike Lee (Lee had a longer layoff than ksi and logan paul last fight lmfao so ksi and logan paul are more active fighter than Mike Lee )

[BigStomps]

I don't agree with what they're doing, but the UFC started and still works with segregation. Then they got the most attention and promotion, grew their brand and attracted the best fighters there while buying smaller companies.

Hypothetically the PBC can continue building their brand and gaining the most viewers. Kill the competition and acquiring their talent. Forcing top fighters outside of their brand to join them and become there UFC.

😄😆 You sound ****** as fucc saying what you just said....
"PBC killing the competition and acquiring their talent,... Forcing top fighters to join them",...
That's not gonna happen you fool! I know that's what all you Al Haymon nuttriders want but that's just impossible! When you have a boxing genius like Bob Arum with his own stable or DAZN with its deep pockets and fully committed to boxing then there's no way Al Haymon can ever take over boxing.
He tried in the past with Richard Schaeffer and failed miserably. FACTS! 😄😆😂

[BigStomps]

LOL. Constantly pulling out the race card. Haymon is not a black man he is a business man. Hes cost his prize heavyweight a hundred million and more, Wilder could of been undisputed by now but Haymon didnt wana give DAZN any chance to grow. Spence believes he beats Crawford, thats the fight everybody wants. Haymon isnt allowing it. Spence has to fight PBC fighters and got them all pretending Crawford or his belt done exist.

So dont be pulling your little gay race card on me because Haymon is a black man. For all i can see that BUSINESS MAN is screwing over his black fighters to suit his business plans, screwing over black Boxing fans who want to see fights like Crawford v Spence or Joshua v Wilder and screwing over black Boxing fans again with trying to make as many PPV's out of any half decent fight which are filled with sub par under cards.

You think you are defending some black man from racists? There is no black left in Al Haymon every move he makes benefits him and his black fighters seem to end up with a worse deal than the ones he is getting them to turn down. And im not even sure what it is you think he does for black fight fans more than any other promoter is or isnt doing.

Got nothing to do with colour. I dont like the way he is blocking big fights cuz i want to watch those fights and i dont like the way it seems to be the trend that in order to defend and protect the PBC they need to crap on anything else. Mud slinging at the competition is a real dirty business technique and thats what seems to be happening.

Excellent post man! Its pathetic how these PBC nuttriders always pulling out the race card...
"You don't like that a black man is this or you don't like that a black man is running boxing and blah blah blah..."
Them fools sound ****** as fucc making everything racial when it's not!

[Jsmooth9876]

Interesting. Complaining about tacky commercialism just after praising DAZN for ks1 v Paul..

Also can’t take these 2 clowns seriously when they complain about loyalty to a network. I mean these guys might literally be on the DAZN payroll.

You can always tell when haymon makes the competition nervous.

Relax ladies, haymon and white working together just might elevate the sport a bit by reducing the power of the very corrupt sanctioning bodies.

Most fans want to see boxing unite under 1 banner like ufc because that would end the political divides.

But that will never happen because boxing talent is spread out across many different networks and promoters. Dana white has zero leverage in Boxing, he's below Main events for christ sake.

I'd be all for a one company boxing universe like the UFC but it just won't ever happen unfortunately. PBC can act like other fighters don't exist that don't work for them but the fact is, most of the top guys in the sport actually fight for other promoters and networks.

At best, PBC has a stranglehold on HW (unless Joshua wins the rematch of course)
And 154.... and 147 to the extent that they have most of the talent but perhaps not the best guy at the weight.

Every other division a case could be made that the best fighter fights elsewhere.

If PBC could somehow get all these people together and form a unified league, that would be boxing utopia.