Comments Thread For: Wilder: Luis Ortiz is Avoided By Many - I Don't Avoid People!

[DaNeutral.]

1) aj is earning way more than that vs ruiz after THAT loss...
2) $40-50m a fight for wilder vs aj...represents 4-5x his highest payday. in relative terms, is is not a big deal for aj. he earnt more from the first ruiz fight and will get far more from the rematch
3) TRUST...this matters
what wilder was offered by dazn was transparent and open. no tricks.
what aj received from wilder via EMAIL was an attempt to handicap aj to obligations he couldnt commit to legally

finkle did an interview with espn where he said 'there is no rematch clause if aj loses..and it is when and where wilder chooses'
months later Frank warren was telling the world media, right alongside finkle...that 'i saw the contract, it was a guaranteed $80m for 2 fights' and finkle, was laughing and nodding like 'yeh yeh that really is true'
how can that be when it contradicts what finkle said himself?
how dumb do you have to be to not see through that?
frank was asked how he knew, he said it's because HE was putting up the money via btsports....and the fight would have been on bt sports and promoted by frank warren
lmfao seriously? so they would have tricked aj into verbally agreeing to an offer without seeing the contract, on a network and promoter he's not signed to?
frank warren has form for legally screwing boxers.
4) '+ 50% revenue'
where did this come from? did you see the contract?
5) aj was responding to richard schaeffer who said the proposed wembley fight vs wilder would do $100m turnover. AJ/hearn said it would do $60m turnover.
so aj's response was more like 'they say it does $100m, give me $50m and ill take the fight'
however in the context it was still in reference to the proposed wembley fight.
6) the game changed because of matchroom's dazn deal...thats why aj boxed in the US. so you can't claim 'oh they wanted it in the UK then later boxed in the US so they just made an excuse for wilder'
even if aj fights in the US it will be for dazn.

WHOOOOAAAAAHHHH, Delete this post dude. Way too factual. This fake 50mill BS is the only things Wilder fans think they have to hide behind even though the rest of know it was just a fake offer BS stunt to try get people off Wilders back about having to face Joshua.

You putting up lots of proven facts like the above is going to make a dent in their Wilder shield and if you took that off them who knows what kind of melt downs would happen and what new lies they would think up to try hide behind.

Fact is Wilder been ducking Joshua and most the top names in the division TILL THIS DAY.

[b Murphington]

I respect your opinion. I don't mind if people disagree with me but for anyone to take credit away from Wilder's win over Ortiz as if Ortiz is/was a fluke is straight out hatred. You don't have to be a fan of Wilder to give him at least a LITTLE BIT respect for that win. I'm no Joshua hater either btw...

Out of curiosity... how do you think a fight between Ortiz vs Klitschko would have turned out? I actually think Ortiz would have beat Wlad as well. He did lose to Wilder, and even if he loses again I still think he's in the mix as one of the top 5, at least top 10, probably at 6 if anything.

Ortiz is still a main player. He is a tough out for anyone, but I think movement is key to beat him. If you take him into deeper rounds like Wilder did, you fair a much better chance at beating him. Any heavyweight who is elusive I think can beat him. You know, make Ortiz really work for it. I think Wlad vs Ortiz would be a war. Wlad was a master at slowing down the pace and was better skilled. Hard to say.

[doom_specialist]

1) aj is earning way more than that vs ruiz after THAT loss...
2) $40-50m a fight for wilder vs aj...represents 4-5x his highest payday. in relative terms, is is not a big deal for aj. he earnt more from the first ruiz fight and will get far more from the rematch
3) TRUST...this matters
what wilder was offered by dazn was transparent and open. no tricks.
what aj received from wilder via EMAIL was an attempt to handicap aj to obligations he couldnt commit to legally

finkle did an interview with espn where he said 'there is no rematch clause if aj loses..and it is when and where wilder chooses'
months later Frank warren was telling the world media, right alongside finkle...that 'i saw the contract, it was a guaranteed $80m for 2 fights' and finkle, was laughing and nodding like 'yeh yeh that really is true'
how can that be when it contradicts what finkle said himself?
how dumb do you have to be to not see through that?
frank was asked how he knew, he said it's because HE was putting up the money via btsports....and the fight would have been on bt sports and promoted by frank warren
lmfao seriously? so they would have tricked aj into verbally agreeing to an offer without seeing the contract, on a network and promoter he's not signed to?
frank warren has form for legally screwing boxers.
4) '+ 50% revenue'
where did this come from? did you see the contract?
5) aj was responding to richard schaeffer who said the proposed wembley fight vs wilder would do $100m turnover. AJ/hearn said it would do $60m turnover.
so aj's response was more like 'they say it does $100m, give me $50m and ill take the fight'
however in the context it was still in reference to the proposed wembley fight.
6) the game changed because of matchroom's dazn deal...thats why aj boxed in the US. so you can't claim 'oh they wanted it in the UK then later boxed in the US so they just made an excuse for wilder'
even if aj fights in the US it will be for dazn.

*sigh*

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-h...ght-uk--128489

You guys could post some counter evidence, with some dates, and maybe you wouldn't sound fanatical. I've got Hearn saying "money is good, no thanks". You guys have walls of text attempting to excuse it. Try again.

[Inspired]

*sigh*

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-h...ght-uk--128489

You guys could post some counter evidence, with some dates, and maybe you wouldn't sound fanatical. I've got Hearn saying "money is good, no thanks". You guys have walls of text attempting to excuse it. Try again.

counter evidence to what exactly? dates?
what do you want evidence of?

here's the Schaeffer response early on to the $12.5m offer

Apr 11, 2018
https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/4/1...-joshua-wilder

Here's what AJ said in response
April 13 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSiPh7sTQfg

obv in the context, aj didn't mean 'give me $50m in some other context' it was $50m in the context of THE proposed wembley fight.
Schaeffer's argument was 'wilder will bring the american market'

" I mean they fought Joseph Parker and they gave Joseph Parker 33%...Now we all know that Deontay Wilder is worth substantially more than Joseph Parker because Deontay Wilder does bring the U.S. market to the table, which is substantial."

he used joseph parker as a reference point. Where did joseph parker fight AJ? it was at cardiff/80k fans.
Schaeffer was still making his point in a context where wilder concedes the venue.

However keep in mind that Schaeffer is an Eddie Hearn hater and a severely bitter individual. He tried to break the UK market himself with goldenboy back in 2010/11, but Eddie got the sky sports contract. He's been whining about Eddie ever since.
The argument he made was that 'they offered Parker 33%' ignored the fact that AJ's value increased because he had an additional belt he took off Parker..and furthermore Parker got $7m. so if Parker got 33% then the revenue was $28m.
Schaeffer was arguing that it does $100m because 50% would come from the US market.
so $50m of revenue from the US.
funny because wilder vs fury, which they promoted the living **** out of in the US, did 300k buys@$70 ie $21m revenue..in a context where Wilder publicly told everyone in the US...and everyone believed him, that TYson Fury vs wilder was THE real HW fight. That AJ was irrelevant and not important, that he was being frozen out. obviously this took place later..however it just shows that Schaeffer was full of ****.

AJ gets around 1.5m ppv buys in the UK at £20 each.
it's the global revenue where the rest of the money is made.
AJ generates that, not wilder.

Now about your link. What point have I missed here? All that happened was Eddie/AJ realised the offer from wilder's side, stipulated it takes place where Wilder wants. AJ/Eddie responded 'it happens in the UK'. At the time, that was the case, aj was only going to fight the undisputed fight in the UK.
It only changed because of dazn.

[rickJen]

Don't know why they keep running with this
****** 'Oritz avoided by many' narrative.
Povetkin called him out and not a word came out of Ortiz's camp.
Whyte offered more cash than in his undercard fight on PBC,
but the Cuban wanted silly money.
His team wanted $10 mil in the Joshua fight,
the 3 titles that were on the line didn't even matter
to these clowns.

[Laligalaliga]

$50M + 50% revenue for 1 fight is much worse, especially when the excuse given is that you want to fight at home in Europe "for the fans", and then get exposed in America (by a 5 week replacement) anyway.

Yeah....thats social media offer. The whole wilder team went missing when Eddie storm NY.

[Laligalaliga]

Ortiz is still a main player. He is a tough out for anyone, but I think movement is key to beat him. If you take him into deeper rounds like Wilder did, you fair a much better chance at beating him. Any heavyweight who is elusive I think can beat him. You know, make Ortiz really work for it. I think Wlad vs Ortiz would be a war. Wlad was a master at slowing down the pace and was better skilled. Hard to say.

Ortiz I'd no main player.....he ran under the rock when 7mil was knocking on his door.
He became deaf and dumb.
He's a byytch.

[Curt Henning]

Ortiz I'd no main player.....he ran under the rock when 7mil was knocking on his door.
He became deaf and dumb.
He's a byytch.

hes getting more than that to fight wilder lol...u dumb ruhtard

[Laligalaliga]

hes getting more than that to fight wilder lol...u dumb ruhtard

You should ask your ****** intelligent brain cell how much wilder himself will get in this fight.

[b Murphington]

Ortiz I'd no main player.....he ran under the rock when 7mil was knocking on his door.
He became deaf and dumb.
He's a byytch.

I read they offered 5 mil and Ortiz wanted 10 mil. He was a late replacement for that fight right? He had more leverage in that position. Besides Ortiz is getting more than 7 mil for the rematch, so your argument is invalid anyways lol.