Comments Thread For: Wilder: Luis Ortiz is Avoided By Many - I Don't Avoid People!

[doom_specialist]

Yeah....thats social media offer. The whole wilder team went missing when Eddie storm NY.

He turned it down before he got there. It happened your way (and everyone defending the duck's way) if you move timelines around.

[doom_specialist]

counter evidence to what exactly? dates?
what do you want evidence of?

here's the Schaeffer response early on to the $12.5m offer

Apr 11, 2018
https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/4/1...-joshua-wilder

Here's what AJ said in response
April 13 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSiPh7sTQfg

obv in the context, aj didn't mean 'give me $50m in some other context' it was $50m in the context of THE proposed wembley fight.
Schaeffer's argument was 'wilder will bring the american market'

" I mean they fought Joseph Parker and they gave Joseph Parker 33%...Now we all know that Deontay Wilder is worth substantially more than Joseph Parker because Deontay Wilder does bring the U.S. market to the table, which is substantial."

he used joseph parker as a reference point. Where did joseph parker fight AJ? it was at cardiff/80k fans.
Schaeffer was still making his point in a context where wilder concedes the venue.

However keep in mind that Schaeffer is an Eddie Hearn hater and a severely bitter individual. He tried to break the UK market himself with goldenboy back in 2010/11, but Eddie got the sky sports contract. He's been whining about Eddie ever since.
The argument he made was that 'they offered Parker 33%' ignored the fact that AJ's value increased because he had an additional belt he took off Parker..and furthermore Parker got $7m. so if Parker got 33% then the revenue was $28m.
Schaeffer was arguing that it does $100m because 50% would come from the US market.
so $50m of revenue from the US.
funny because wilder vs fury, which they promoted the living **** out of in the US, did 300k buys@$70 ie $21m revenue..in a context where Wilder publicly told everyone in the US...and everyone believed him, that TYson Fury vs wilder was THE real HW fight. That AJ was irrelevant and not important, that he was being frozen out. obviously this took place later..however it just shows that Schaeffer was full of ****.

AJ gets around 1.5m ppv buys in the UK at £20 each.
it's the global revenue where the rest of the money is made.
AJ generates that, not wilder.

Now about your link. What point have I missed here? All that happened was Eddie/AJ realised the offer from wilder's side, stipulated it takes place where Wilder wants. AJ/Eddie responded 'it happens in the UK'. At the time, that was the case, aj was only going to fight the undisputed fight in the UK.
It only changed because of dazn.

You conveniently left out that Hearn knew the money was legitimate, per the article, and that they were willing to make less to fight at home. Everything you said con****uously skirted around that, to talk about what Joshua makes, and what Schafer said, none of which matters. Hearn said the money was good, that a fight in the UK would likely make less, but Joshua wanted to fight at home regardless. You're throwing out figures, but money didn't play into Team Joshua's decision to decline the offer. Joshua's excuse for declining the offer was "for the fans", and you're working double time to make that not true. To each their own though bro. Boxing Scene reported why he said no to the offer, and I read it with my own eyes so I'm content to stop arguing.

[doom_specialist]

Not to mention:

http://twitter.com/BarryHearn/status...876971009?s=20

[Slicc]

I've already quoted Hearn in this thread explaining why the $50M deal fell through, and he didn't mention the Joshua Internet Alliance's excuse one time. All he said was that the money was legit, but Joshua didn't care, and was prepared to earn less to fight in front of his fans. The BT Sport excuse didn't even gain traction until after Hearn declined the offer. You guy can craft creative stories, but we can just look at reality and see that you're full of it.

I didn't see that article before, so I didn't even know Hearn admitted the money was legit. If so, then it does make AJ look sus, but it doesn't erase Wilder having turned down double that and more. If AJ's a duck for turning down $50m, then what's Wilder for turning down $100m and $120m?

If Joshua really wanted " the best available opponent", he wouldn't have got it by Wilder having to spend the next 2 years fulfilling 3 fights out of a 4 fight deal. Wouldn't he want Wilder right away, instead of making him jump through all the hoops? All of this is moot anyway, because a late replacement for "that juiced up Miller bum" who was a total unknown exposed him. Hilarious to see you guys try to make Ruiz into some glorious world beater after he pulled off the fluke. After Joshua dropped him in the 3rd round, you thought it was the end of a helpless victim. Tell the truth lol

Wilder would've still fought Breazeale and probably Ortiz, but he would've made more than what he got and probably will get for it, respectively. If Wilder didn't like that, he could've gone to the negotiating table with Hearn and worked out 2 matches with AJ for $80m. The thing is, he didn't even try.

Exposed? Actual boxing fans knew Ruiz was legit. I didn't expect him to win, but I knew that he was a threat. He went in there making $7m, and did what Wilder wouldn't have done for $40m. Now, he has the belts.

[doom_specialist]

I didn't see that article before, so I didn't even know Hearn admitted the money was legit. If so, then it does make AJ look sus, but it doesn't erase Wilder having turned down double that and more. If AJ's a duck for turning down $50m, then what's Wilder for turning down $100m and $120m?


Wilder would've still fought Breazeale and probably Ortiz, but he would've made more than what he got and probably will get for it, respectively. If Wilder didn't like that, he could've gone to the negotiating table with Hearn and worked out 2 matches with AJ for $80m. The thing is, he didn't even try.

Exposed? Actual boxing fans knew Ruiz was legit. I didn't expect him to win, but I knew that he was a threat. He went in there making $7m, and did what Wilder wouldn't have done for $40m. Now, he has the belts.

Certainly not a duck, when he offered $50M, and Hearn says the money was good. Bad businessman? Maybe, but let's see how the future unfolds, with his popularity higher than ever. I believe that Wilder should have taken the deal, and I've admitted that in this thread. Still, I don't blame him not taking it. Sure, he fights Brezeale and Ortiz and makes $67M instead of the "peanuts", but he should have been able to get the monster payday without that.

You shouldn't have to sell a $50M fight to any fighter calling themselves a prizefighter. And as far as your earning strategy for Wilder, it assumes that Wilder continues to win. Wilder barely held up his end of the bargain against Ortiz. Joshua played that strategy, and now Joshua v Wilder is a maybe. And yes, Joshua was exposed. The odds for Ruiz at the time certainly reflected such. Real boxing fans might have known he had a shot, but not many were giving him an honest one

While the offer was legit, it's my belief that a man shouldn't have to run through a list of fighters to possibly get the guy he wanted all along. If Wilder is a bum with $50M, then any heavyweight champion with a shred of dignity starches that clown and takes the easy money. Joshua instead elected to pull A-side shenanigans. And again, this is before any nonsense about BT sport and cancelled meetings. Then you have his dad echoing the same sentiment 6 months later. It's not heard to see.

[Laligalaliga]

I read they offered 5 mil and Ortiz wanted 10 mil. He was a late replacement for that fight right? He had more leverage in that position. Besides Ortiz is getting more than 7 mil for the rematch, so your argument is invalid anyways lol.

How much is wilder the principal getting?
You need to know this to validate your point.
Ortiz is not getting such quid. He ran scared after coming out public that he's on standby for AJ and went under the rock when opportunity presented itself.
The only reason people talk about Ortiz is because he's a southpaw. Not many southpaws around in HW.
Other than that, he's done shyyte.

[Laligalaliga]

He turned it down before he got there. It happened your way (and everyone defending the duck's way) if you move timelines around.

Yeah......most fights I have been watching was done on social media, twitter to be precised.
When I come for clarification, everyone went missing.
Yeah thats how the business work.
Go get some beer, you are damn tired.

[Laligalaliga]

I didn't see that article before, so I didn't even know Hearn admitted the money was legit. If so, then it does make AJ look sus, but it doesn't erase Wilder having turned down double that and more. If AJ's a duck for turning down $50m, then what's Wilder for turning down $100m and $120m?


Wilder would've still fought Breazeale and probably Ortiz, but he would've made more than what he got and probably will get for it, respectively. If Wilder didn't like that, he could've gone to the negotiating table with Hearn and worked out 2 matches with AJ for $80m. The thing is, he didn't even try.

Exposed? Actual boxing fans knew Ruiz was legit. I didn't expect him to win, but I knew that he was a threat. He went in there making $7m, and did what Wilder wouldn't have done for $40m. Now, he has the belts.

6 years no unification says it all.

[DaNeutral.]

LOL the Deontay PBC Wilder fangimps still trying to defend Wilder ducking Joshua. Everybody knows Wilder ducked Joshua.

WELL FORGET AJ, Look at his resume, look how he has pretty much avoided anybody good in the last 10 years.

[Califire209]

Yea so feared he was offered 100 million and even 7 by whyte himself out of his pocket ? lol

Master Finkel has his puppet close tight and under control ,theres some problems however !

Finkel is very old and is contradicting himself more then usual through memory loss ,remember the excuse he made that he first made ? That was , no one makes mega fights with no date ? Then when given a date the second time he said no one makes fights in advance and complained about being told the exact date he was offered to fight Joshua at Wembley on I believe April 13th ?

You can play the fool all you like ( you also just admitted wilder lost to a guy in the WWE ),thats what you guys do play fools and show how dumb you are on here every day ,so much I try to save my posts now for weekends bc its to much ****** all at once . Don't you know by now going to bat for a bunch of liars will NEVER work out for you and you will strike out all the time ?

I honestly didn't have time to read all that non-sense, you started talking about(your dad) Finkel crap. At the end of the day YOU fear Wilder just as much as Fury and AJ
It's time that you came to terms with the fact that Ruiz will destroy Joshua again