Why can’t we acknowledge that there’s an argument for multiple fighters to be #1 p4p?

[ShaneMosleySr]

Canelo Alvarez has the best resume but is always in a 50-50 fight, many of which could have gone the other way.

Vasyl Lomachenko has the next best resume and one that’s close to Canelo’s, but has dominated almost everyone he’s fought.

Terence Crawford and Nayoe Inoue don’t have big names on their resume but they have never been challenged and look the most impressive in victory.

All have titles in at least three different weight classes.

Pick whoever you like, who cares? None of those four answers are biased or awful.

Why can’t we just accept this? Why does it always seem to get personal with insults and trash talk?

[Marchegiano]

Because boxing fans are some of the dumbest people on earth and you know how dumb people are, they feel the need to criticize anything that isn't just like them.

[DaNeutral.]

Its all opinion, there is no real way to solidify P4P number 1. One very reputable expert on the sport can use a very different criteria from the next very reputable expert. Good thing is most peoples top 10 lists have generally the same 10 Boxers in it although not in the same order.

Personally i think there can be good cases put forward for about 3 or 4 fighters for P4P number 1. Canelo, Loma, Crawford and Inoue would be my top 4.

[dukesville]

Lomachenko dominated Rigondaux a guy coming up two weight classes and who else? He koed Linares in a tough fight a guy who had been koed 3 times before by low level fighters. And lost to Salido a tough guy if nothing else. And you say Crawford and Inoue "dont have big names"?...then why not put fighters that have beaten big names? Get real...

[Born X Raised]

Lol at Lomachenko having a resume close to Canelo’s.

The argument for Lomachenko and Crawford is skill not resume.

The thing is Canelo has the skill and the resume.

[Sweet Scions]

Why can't we all acknowledge that p4p is unsubstantiated bs to begin with and not have 20 "After that win, X definitely moves to #1!" threads in the wake of every high profile fight? While we're at it, people could also stop idiotically trying to argue in vain for the supposed objective superiority of either resume (read: reductive, lazy, casual "names" bs rather than a thorough, judicious appraisal of the full circumstances of any given fight) or eye test criteria as it's clearly apples/oranges and two fundamentally different means of consideration that are not mutually exclusive and can and do harmoniously co-exist.

But mostly, let's stfu about p4p in general. We know who has the goods and differentiating #1 from #4 is usually an exercise in futility, pomposity and confirmation bias with people generally just finding ways to rationalize why their guy is tops, working backward from that set conclusion. I guess it's the human disposition toward the comfort of labels and order. We can't just be content to say X and Y are both superb and dominate their respective classes, we have to try and hash out who is best all else equal in service to a comforting hierarchy that gives a little more order to our world even though it's speculative and unknowable. Well, some of us have a need for that. Others just sit back and laugh.

TLDR I'm completely agreeing in very different terms.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Linares was on many top 10 p4p lists and hadn’t lost in six years when he fought Lomachenko.

Gary Russell Jr. is a huge win and clearly better than 95% of the people on Canelo’s resume.

Salido is a three time featherweight champion who has wins over many former world champions and multiple for top 10 p4p fighters. That was Lomachenko’s second professional fight.

Crawford and Inoue don’t have big names but they’re both undefeated three division champions who have completed dominated the competition.

Lomachenko dominated Rigondaux a guy coming up two weight classes and who else? He koed Linares in a tough fight a guy who had been koed 3 times before by low level fighters. And lost to Salido a tough guy if nothing else. And you say Crawford and Inoue "dont have big names"?...then why not put fighters that have beaten big names? Get real...

[Damn Wicked]

Boxing Scene should have a fantasy section. That's where P4P should belong and so should fantasy fights such as Pacquiao VS Duran, or Lomachenko VS Wilder, ....or Noaye VS Godzilla (The Battle of Japan).

[Citizen Koba]

P4P is straight subject donkey turd, man. No one can even quite agree how to measure it or even fully how to define it, and everyone understands the idea a bit differently. No rational person should be claiming that there's only one valid option.

Some dudes think it's just a measure of resume others that it's the old eye test. Some are asking who would win if they were the same size, others are asking who's more dominant. Then there's the temporal factor... how much more do you weigh recent performances than older ones and how long does a good win last?

Basically what it amounts to is that there's enough latitude for anyone to put pretty much who they want at #1, though of course the vast majority of us conform to popular opinion and the desire to seem smart or avoid ridicule by sticking to a fairly narrow range of options.

Personally I just keep a loose idea of a top few guys who I think are kinda elite - or at least the best among their peers - with no fixed criteria, but also no effort to rank 'em, cos really what's the point. If they're close enough in weight to fight then cool, we find out then who's best, if they ain't then it's just meaningless fantasy.

[QueensburyRules]

- -p4p just as valid or fantasy as division ratings.

That some of you can't quantify and qualify a fighter's rank who is clearly top 3 without going full apoplectic is on you.

I'll do a top three and sometimes a top 5, but the further you get from those figures the more subjective and trivial your rankings become.

We've got five top guys here with only one loss between them, that of Loma vs the filthiest fighter I've witnessed this decade, Salido.

Not even close to feather to blow up fight nite to welter and every other punch was a blizzard of fouls when not grabbing and then hitting on the break. Laurence Cole the crook that allowed this, and every time Loma got on top he'd bust em up, esp in the last rd when he had Salido ready for a long nap. Cole as ****** as Salido.

1-Canelo
2-Loma
3-Bud
4-Monster
5. Usyk

I think this may be the same as Ring, but finally those ninnies got it right or close to mine.