Comments Thread For: Hearn: Wilder Would Take Franchise Title To Duck Joshua or Whyte

[Curt Henning]

Jax Skipper is on record as saying his approach to signing the Wilder/AJ fight was completely wrong and that he didn't go about it the right way. Why are you still trying to pin blame elsewhere?

I know you have a hard time accepting this but Haymon is not going to help DAZN/Hearn sell subscriptions. Haymon isn't required to help DAZN. You keep trying to make it about something other than business.

Haymon has every riht to want the wilder/aj fight on his terms, same as skipper wanted them on his terms when he made the offer.

you still have people(stretch), like the one I quoted earlier, saying "hearn offered wilder 100 million"....when hearn wasn't in the office....lol....

that's why its hard to take these guys seriously...hearn didn't offer wilder 100 mil...it was skipper...and skipper admitted he went about it all wrong

[Curt Henning]

these UK clowns/AJ defenders/wilder haters will never be able to admit both

1. AJ ducked wilder
2. AJ was pasted by a 25-1 dog

#2 isn't deniable....theres no way around it....theres no way they'll admit to both when they can present a skewed version of reality with regards to #1....the ole "deny, deny, deny" defense

[Jax teller]

Jax Skipper is on record as saying his approach to signing the Wilder/AJ fight was completely wrong and that he didn't go about it the right way. Why are you still trying to pin blame elsewhere?

I know you have a hard time accepting this but Haymon is not going to help DAZN/Hearn sell subscriptions. Haymon isn't required to help DAZN. You keep trying to make it about something other than business.

Haymon has every riht to want the wilder/aj fight on his terms, same as skipper wanted them on his terms when he made the offer.

Skippers on record saying he didn't make the right effort to create relationship with Haymon/ to get the deal past him nothing about terms. He basically owns up to mis-calculating what it takes to get the fight made with hindsight he would have schmoozed Haymon more. That's still attempting to make the fight in my book and taking more steps than Haymon has to make the fight.

If this lack of building a relationship is what stopped the the 100 mil offer and made it so unreasonable even with a meeting then why aren't you pointing out that this applies to the 50 mil offer, where there was no meeting or relationship building at all?

You're a reasonable poster so I'm sure you'll agree the same rules apply and the 50 mil and is therefore is not a serious offer if building a relationship is Haymons own business rules. Therefore you'd also have to agree Haymon never made an attempt to make this fight.

[The Big Dunn]

Skippers on record saying he didn't make the right effort to create relationship with Haymon/ to get the deal past him nothing about terms. He basically owns up to mis-calculating what it takes to get the fight made with hindsight he would have schmoozed Haymon more. That's still attempting to make the fight in my book and taking more steps than Haymon has to make the fight.

If this lack of building a relationship is what stopped the the 100 mil offer and made it so unreasonable even with a meeting then why aren't you pointing out that this applies to the 50 mil offer, where there was no meeting or relationship building at all?

You're a reasonable poster so I'm sure you'll agree the same rules apply and the 50 mil and is therefore is not a serious offer if building a relationship is Haymons own business rules. Therefore you'd also have to agree Haymon never made an attempt to make this fight.

Come on dude. Skipper said he didn't go about it the right way. Your interpretation is made so you can place blame with Haymon/Wilder when instead the fault lies with Skipper.

Lets be clear, if Haymon goes to AJ's trainer or DAZN execs to make the fight and bypasses certain key people there is no way the fight would get made.

I am not one that brings up the $50 mil offer. Regarding your post, no one from the AJ camp is on record as saying Haymon went about that offer the wrong way. Also, Finkel nor Haymon is on record like Skipper is. So even if I was one that did bring that offer up, there is nothing that suggests it was made in bad faith.

Haymon has never made an attempt to make this fight on DAZN. He will make the fight on terms(i.e on PPV) that benefit both his fighter and his company, which is exactly what Skipper and Hearn attempted to do when they went about the first offer., make terms that benefited DAZN.

Lets stop making Haymon out to be the problem here. It was Skipper. If he can acknowledge it was him then why do you keep saying the issue is Haymon?

[The Big Dunn]

you still have people(stretch), like the one I quoted earlier, saying "hearn offered wilder 100 million"....when hearn wasn't in the office....lol....

that's why its hard to take these guys seriously...hearn didn't offer wilder 100 mil...it was skipper...and skipper admitted he went about it all wrong

From the point Skipper made that comment there is no way anyone should be pointing the finger at Haymon. He protected his interest same as any other person in his position would.

[Jax teller]

I cant have a reasonable debate with you....because your pride is too hurt

I can go on and on giving factual events about what happened between aj and wilder...and you will counter with your skewed version of reality and we can go back and forth until were both blue in the face

what cant be skewed is AJ getting pasted by a 25-1 dog in nyc....you cant present your alternate reality that didn't happen

remember when AJ was all like "I hope breazeale last longer with wilder so I can say I took him out quicker"???? LOL

Yeah see change the subject, you're just upset you can't pedal your little spin cycle fast enough to to fool people.

Lol AJ's still knocked out more mutual opponents faster including a Molina on PED's who gave Wilder a bit of trouble, probably why Wilder wouldn't take the risk. Maybe Wilder will feel brave enough if Ruiz beats AJ again.

I'm tired of taking you to school having to explain basic stuff like why a US network (DAZN) was willing to pay more for the fight if it was in the US instead of the UK.

Maybe you're not ****** maybe you're just a sucker for the cult that shills for the PBC.

[Jax teller]

Come on dude. Skipper said he didn't go about it the right way. Your interpretation is made so you can place blame with Haymon/Wilder when instead the fault lies with Skipper.

Lets be clear, if Haymon goes to AJ's trainer or DAZN execs to make the fight and bypasses certain key people there is no way the fight would get made.

I am not one that brings up the $50 mil offer. Regarding your post, no one from the AJ camp is on record as saying Haymon went about that offer the wrong way. Also, Finkel nor Haymon is on record like Skipper is. So even if I was one that did bring that offer up, there is nothing that suggests it was made in bad faith.

Haymon has never made an attempt to make this fight on DAZN. He will make the fight on terms(i.e on PPV) that benefit both his fighter and his company, which is exactly what Skipper and Hearn attempted to do when they went about the first offer., make terms that benefited DAZN.

Lets stop making Haymon out to be the problem here. It was Skipper. If he can acknowledge it was him then why do you keep saying the issue is Haymon?

Why are you acting like Skipper gave an admition of bad faith and didn't just say he that didn't build the relationships necessary and would do it differently in hindsight?

Forget I said Haymon and switch his name for Team Wilder it doesn't matter to me, I'm just trying to make the point of who tried to make the fight and who didn't.

So Team Wilder made one offer no meeting, no relationship building 50 mil.

Skipper made an offer 100mil 3 fights etc face to face with Wilders team they refused, Skipper says it's because he didn't have the relationships with Team Wilder, still key that's not bad faith.

Wilders team refused to even do face to face so if Skippers specific reasoning of not being able to pull it off because Team Wilder weren't satisfied their relationship then you can either say Team Wilder acted in bad faith with their 50 mil because it's their standard to make relationships the fight which they made even less of an attempt.

The alternative is neither made a serious attempt but you can't say Skipper wasn't serious with the 100 mil and Team Wilder was with 50 mil.

So Team Wilder was never serious.

Team AJ and Skipper you can debate.

[Laligalaliga]

Weird...

When the WBC ordered that fight, it was Whyte who turned it down to fight Parker.

The last time Whyte called Ortiz out, Ortiz said he would cancel his fight plans to fight Whyte. Whyte went on to schedule someone else instead.

Nah....Ortiz was shooked.
He screamed about fighting AJ, claim hez always ready and will be ready as backup for miller,the opportunity came he ran under the rock.
I don't want to hear more of that pzzsy.

[Laligalaliga]

Lol he got dropped by unknown midget Rivas in his last fight. Despite being juiced and wearing illegal gloves.

Get a clue.

And you think I give a fxzk about that. Just put wilder in. Stop protecting him with your life.
He needs to feel whytes power, the left hook.
Thats all I ask for.

[Laligalaliga]

[QUOTE=Jkp;20184443]

Not afraid to be dropped? He ran like a little girl from AJ fight and guaranteed shot at 3 world titles. Twice!!! this year alone.

He ran from Ortiz fight to be mandatory. Then cherry picked Rivas and got dropped.

Also ran from Parker rematch as he knows he loses without landing a headbutt. and was dropped by him too.

Wilder needed half a billion dollars before he can face AJ.
What exactly are you talking about.
All these excuses just to protect wilder, Ha.