The only explanation for people putting Canelo at P4P #1 is not remembering

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  • Boxing Logic
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    #1

    The only explanation for people putting Canelo at P4P #1 is not remembering

    It's actually pretty simple once you remember all of Canelo's past performances (in his prime I mean) instead of being prisoner of a recent seemingly fixed fight, if not fights... Vasyl Lomachenko beat Nicholas Walters and Gary Russell Jr easier, a lot easier in fact, than Canelo Alvarez beat Liam Smith.

    That about sums it up.

    Also, Oleksandr Usyk beat Murat Gassiev and Marco Huck easier than Canelo beat Liam Smith.

    Canelo was in more trouble late vs Alfredo Angulo than Lomachenko was against everyone he's fought since GRJ, including the Linares fight where he got knocked down. Canelo was starting to wear down a bit late and feel the shots, Loma just got flash knocked down.

    The way I see it from a talent standpoint, waist up, Canelo has improved so much, he is definitely in shouting range of what Lomachenko and Usyk do, waist up, but waist down, Lomachenko and Usyk add the elite footwork and that's the difference. Lomachenko and Usyk are basically Canelo but with a higher grade of footwork, punch output, and stamina. And in Usyk's case, his reach is a bit better for his size as well.

    I think people get too caught up in names. Of course Canelo fights the most big names, he's the cash cow so he can get whatever fights he wants WHENEVER the time is best for him and worst for his opponent, while these other guys can't get most the opponents they want to fight. How long has Loma been trying to fight various guys, from Santa Cruz to Mikey to Tank, with no luck? If he was Canelo he would have gotten all those fights already.

    So the trick is to throw that all out, and throw out paper belts, all the political bull****, and just ask yourself, who are the best boxers in the sport? If everyone was the same size, who would you rank above who? And the answer to that, when you really analyze it, in my opinion is that Lomachenko and Usyk are the two best prime boxers in the sport right now, all around. They have the elite strengths of a Canelo, Crawford, or Inoue, but with even less weaknesses. They might not hit as hard as Inoue, but they have their own elite strengths. Usyk's stamina at cruiserweight may be just as rare as Inoue's power at 118 is, for example.

    Pacquiao, if he was younger, or even at this age, if he was fighting at 140, could also be argued as the best in the world even at this age. But since he's at 147, I don't think at 40 he has the stamina to say he would beat a 147 version of Usyk or Loma. As for Crawford, he is not as tank-like built like Canelo or Usyk, and his defense is not as good as Canelo's, Loma's, and Usyk's.

    What do you guys think?
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    #2
    Originally posted by Boxing Logic
    It's actually pretty simple once you remember all of Canelo's past performances (in his prime I mean) instead of being prisoner of a recent seemingly fixed fight, if not fights... Vasyl Lomachenko beat Nicholas Walters and Gary Russell Jr easier, a lot easier in fact, than Canelo Alvarez beat Liam Smith.

    That about sums it up.
    You're saying that the organizations whom rate Canelo vs Loma use Liam Smith as the standard?

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    • JohnCastellanos
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      #3
      Wake me up when Loma fights Mike Garcia Jose Ramirez or Virgil Ortiz @140 heck even Prograis or Josh Taylor. Nope didn’t think so! Until then Canelo is P4P number 1,2, and 3 . As far Usyk we’ll see how he does @ heavyweight vs Andy Ruiz or Wilder.

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      • boxinggod101
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        #4
        Canelo is P4P no.1. You can disagree and put someone with a weaker resume if you want to but in my eyes, he is no.1 and I don't like him at all.

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        • R-Hand Southpaw
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          #5
          Why Canelo will never be p4p #1.

          He wins but cant separate himself from his competition.

          In his toughest fights we know that they were fixed from the get go. Not only has he been busted for PEDs but dude has SO MANY controversial fights that no one believed he won.

          It's like, name a fighter with more asterisks. You cant.

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          • ralex
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            #6
            What Canelo did would be like Loma moving up to 147 and ko any of the champions. Pick one. Crawford Spence or Manny


            Yes. Let that sink in

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            • QballLobo
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              #7
              You should have stopped and deleted your account when you said Canelo had any sort of trouble with Angulo. Lol.
              Canelo has these haters shook.
              They can’t handle the fact that he’s the Cash Cow, P4P #1, and GGG’s daddy.

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              • Boxing_1013
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                #8
                Originally posted by boxinggod101
                Canelo is P4P no.1. You can disagree and put someone with a weaker resume if you want to but in my eyes, he is no.1 and I don't like him at all.
                Idk about that...you yourself said he lost GGG1...I feel he lost both GGG fights...why would anyone have him clear number 1 if they say he lost the first GGG fight...makes 0 sense.

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                • satiev1
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ralex
                  What Canelo did would be like Loma moving up to 147 and ko any of the champions. Pick one. Crawford Spence or Manny


                  Yes. Let that sink in
                  LMAO NO IT'S NOT. Lomo is already in his 3rd weight class.

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                  • kidbazooka
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                    #10
                    TS has gone full ******ddd.

                    Loma, usyk are overrated hype jobs that the media has built up despite they’re ****ttty resumes.

                    Canelo is numero uno so get use to it

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