Scoring Canelo's 4 Controversial Decisions

[STREET CLEANER]

I had Trout winning the fight, half way the announced the scoring (open scoring fight) and Canelo was way ahead. Trout had to change tactics and got knocked down. I thought that Trout had a slight edge but it was not a robbery.

Canelo beat Lara. Lara did not come to fight and ran when Canelo was trying to fight.

I had GGG winning a close fight

I had GGG winning very slight edge. Canelo or a draw was not a robbery.

Floyd, Trout and Lara is the reason Canelo won't fight nobody slick.

[GrandpaBernard]

I had Trout winning the fight, half way the announced the scoring (open scoring fight) and Canelo was way ahead. Trout had to change tactics and got knocked down. I thought that Trout had a slight edge but it was not a robbery.

Canelo beat Lara. Lara did not come to fight and ran when Canelo was trying to fight.

I had GGG winning a close fight

I had GGG winning very slight edge. Canelo or a draw was not a robbery.

Floyd, Trout and Lara is the reason Canelo won't fight nobody slick.

Who are the 168 and 175 slickstars?

[THC]

1.Alvarez

2.Draw

3.Golovkin

4.Alvarez

[Doctor_Tenma]

I only gave Trout at most 4-5 rounds, he was touching Canelo with the very end of his punches whilst Canelo landed the harder stuff. It was mind boggling to me how people saw that as close.

I had Canelo edging Lara.

I gave Golovkin the 1st fight, I felt Golovkin's jab made the difference. Canelo had too many lapses where he didn't throw as he was resting. This fight wasn't a robbery though.

Canelo came back to win the rematch against GGG and he legit put a beating on Golovkin in some of those rounds.

[Boxing_1013]

You’ll understand judges scorecards better if you emphasize meaningful punches landed per round. Eye catching shots, who’s using effective aggression, who’s backing up, who’s landing more meaningful punches.

It’s very simple.

Abel saw the same thing, that’s why he was fired.

Bro punches landed and their effectiveness...that's all it is my friend...so yeah that means taking into account meaningful punches...but that obviously means jabs are sometimes scored and meaningful in fights/rounds...I don't think you should discount a guy's work and not properly score it just because you like the other guy...if a good jab lands, you score it...if a good hook of similar effectiveness lands, you score it simiarly.

Who is backing up/whose aggression is effective is really irrelevant...logic says that if you have good aggression and the other guy is backing up...you are likely winning, because you are probably landing more and better punches on the opponent than vice versa...but if we are boxing and you are backing me up, but I am touching you up, well obviously I'm winning.

I don't think that co-signing judges' cards in general is a very wise thing to do...we know there is some incompetence with some judges' cards...and more than that, some serious corruption going on with other cards...a young prospect will always get the cards in a close fight against a nobody...the A-side will usually get the cards as well.

Keeping it real with what we see, regardless of whether it helps our guy or not, is just the way to do it I think...I think sometimes people have too much of their self-worth tied up in certain fighters succeeding or failing, so they let that affect the way they score fights.

There are great fighters from practically every background so artificially propping up some guys just to help your worldview, I mean I can't really co-sign that...just hard to take seriously and makes people seem really low and biased I think...just seems like an unhealthy way to live.

Also I think Abel knew the fight was close enough to where the judges would give it to Canelo...I think he tried to be gracious after the fight because no one likes whiners...everyone knows to beat Canelo you probably have to KO him...just is what it is...he was fired way after that also, seemingly because he wanted a big cut of the new deal GGG signed...people can disagree as to whether that was right of GGG, but I think the fighter should get the lion's share of the money...jury is still out for me though with GGG and his new trainer.

[Boxing_1013]

Canelo came back to win the rematch against GGG and he legit put a beating on Golovkin in some of those rounds.

Lol which rounds were those...how did you score it btw...round by round...SD did way better work vs GGG than Nelo did imo...just watched both again the other night...it was like night and day.

Can't see how anyone gives Nelo more than 4 or 5 rounds in fight 2...as you kind of alluded to in your post, Nelo just isn't really active enough to take a lot of rounds...vs GGG who is very active every round, it has just been a tough match up for him so far in those 2 fights...GGG's activity kept it close/edged it to him in a lot of rounds, and then I think he took a lot clean with that activity when he coupled it with landing the better shots.

Neither guy really roughed up either one in either fight from what I've seen...good fights though.

[-Kev-]

Bro punches landed and their effectiveness...that's all it is my friend...so yeah that means taking into account meaningful punches...but that obviously means jabs are sometimes scored and meaningful in fights/rounds...I don't think you should discount a guy's work and not properly score it just because you like the other guy...if a good jab lands, you score it...if a good hook of similar effectiveness lands, you score it simiarly.

Who is backing up/whose aggression is effective is really irrelevant...logic says that if you have good aggression and the other guy is backing up...you are likely winning, because you are probably landing more and better punches on the opponent than vice versa...but if we are boxing and you are backing me up, but I am touching you up, well obviously I'm winning.

I don't think that co-signing judges' cards in general is a very wise thing to do...we know there is some incompetence with some judges' cards...and more than that, some serious corruption going on with other cards...a young prospect will always get the cards in a close fight against a nobody...the A-side will usually get the cards as well.

Keeping it real with what we see, regardless of whether it helps our guy or not, is just the way to do it I think...I think sometimes people have too much of their self-worth tied up in certain fighters succeeding or failing, so they let that affect the way they score fights.

There are great fighters from practically every background so artificially propping up some guys just to help your worldview, I mean I can't really co-sign that...just hard to take seriously and makes people seem really low and biased I think...just seems like an unhealthy way to live.

Also I think Abel knew the fight was close enough to where the judges would give it to Canelo...I think he tried to be gracious after the fight because no one likes whiners...everyone knows to beat Canelo you probably have to KO him...just is what it is...he was fired way after that also, seemingly because he wanted a big cut of the new deal GGG signed...people can disagree as to whether that was right of GGG, but I think the fighter should get the lion's share of the money...jury is still out for me though with GGG and his new trainer.

We will just have to agree to disagree then.

Na, to beat Canelo on the scorecards you have to outland him in power punches per round. You know, like Mayweather did. What a coincidence isn’t it? The guy who decisioned Canelo was the guy who landed more power punches than him in more rounds.

The next fighter who does that, will probably win. I doubt it will be GGG. I don’t think it will be Bivol either. I want to see Canelo vs Bivol next.

[GrandpaBernard]

We will just have to agree to disagree then.

Na, to beat Canelo on the scorecards you have to outland him in power punches per round. You know, like Mayweather did. What a coincidence isn’t it? The guy who decisioned Canelo was the guy who landed more power punches than him in more rounds.

The next fighter who does that, will probably win. I doubt it will be GGG. I don’t think it will be Bivol either. I want to see Canelo vs Bivol next.

Need to be high status also to overcome any crooked scoring

One judge from that fight didn't have Mayweather winning

[Boxing_1013]

We will just have to agree to disagree then.

Na, to beat Canelo on the scorecards you have to outland him in power punches per round. You know, like Mayweather did. What a coincidence isn’t it? The guy who decisioned Canelo was the guy who landed more power punches than him in more rounds.

The next fighter who does that, will probably win. I doubt it will be GGG. I don’t think it will be Bivol either. I want to see Canelo vs Bivol next.

Man I like Canelo...he is a great fighter...and I like GGG too, and he gave GGG 2 fights and a lot of money, and also basically got him $100 million with the DAZN contract...point being that Canelo is the money man, and when you fight him you get paid.

If he had 10 losses no one would want to tune in really, and his opponents wouldn't get paid as much...basically I don't really care if he gets the decisions in competitive fights...to beat the man you have to KO him sometimes...just is what it is.

But yeah I just disagree with the premise that he won those 2 fights vs GGG...and I would just say that he pretty clearly will always get the nod in competitive fights...he brings in too much money for all of boxing.

I don't have anything against him so I hope he continues to do well...he has a nice style in the ring as well and has been improving almost every fight...but the intrigue for some of his fights gets taken away for me since I know he will almost always be competitive with his opponent, and in that case he will always get the nod.

Idk I just can't think of a fight right now of his that would really get me excited...maybe GGG3 would, just to see if one could hurt the other one/if GGG is finished and would get stopped.

[-Kev-]

Need to be high status also to overcome any crooked scoring

One judge from that fight didn't have Mayweather winning

Not really. It was a bad scorecard. But no one has yet to outland Canelo in power punches after that.

Canelo is a power punching machine. He knows landing more meaningful shots will win rounds. His opponents get scared of his hard counters and are reduced to jabs.

Mayweather didn’t do that. He boxed circles around him, outlanded him in jabs, power punches, body punches. Everything. And no one has done that again.