More Mexicans popped for clenbuterol

[PeasantCrusha]

Tainted Beef Nation....



If it's not plaster wraps it's tainted beef.


Warriors though...

[Boxfan83]

[QUOTE=Koba-Grozny;20171881]

Two separate issues here, both interesting and both kinda relevant so I'll deal with the easiest first.

Simply put, nah, trace is not trace - that's some political level obfuscation bullchit from the WBC based on exactly the assumption you made. Yeah, technically anything measured in concentrations of ng or pg/ml could be described as 'trace' so they can't outright be called liars, but the devil's in the detail.

Most of us would understand trace to mean 'close to minimum threshold of detectability' or 'an insignificant amount' but they used the same term 'trace' to describe an amount a couple of orders of magnitude above the detectability level and several times higher than that found in most cases of presumaed contamination to describe Canelo's 600pg/ml level so I'd be extremely sceptical of their use of the same term here.

Secondly to establish whether enough was taken to be of benefit one obviously needs to know how much of the substance was taken in the first place... except you can't do that with a positive Clenbuterol result, because the concentration levels in urine are dependent on two factors; the amount initially taken and the time elapsed since it entered the body. If you don't know when the drug was taken you can't tell from a urine test how much was taken, at least for Clenbuterol which doesn't produce any measurable metabolites for a ratio comparison.

Typically drug metabolism and elimination can be described as half life (similar to how you'd describe radioactive decay) ie, in a certain period the measureable concentration of a drug or it's metabolites in the body will have halved. For clenbuterol this period is about 35 - 36 hours in humans.... the upshot of which that a the****utic (PED use) dose taken a couple of weeks prior will give exactly the the same urinary concentration as a meat contamination dose consumed a coupla days before the test. There is no way to distinguish using currently available methods.

The upshot is that when they say there wasn't enough to produce any measurable benefit they're talking out of their asses because there's no way of knowing how much Clen these guys took... and the WBC know that full well.



The second - and equally interesting issue is the question of just how beneficial the various banned substances are - how this was established and the various contradictions which become apparent when you examine the drug testing policies and protocol more closely...

I ain't gonna go into it properly now since I already wrote an extempore essay above and I ain't got much time, but suffice to say it's just as beset with bullchit, contradictions and lack of clarity as your average nation's illicit drug legislation and substance abuse policies, entangling pseudo moral judgements with half assed assumptions about health and safety and all pandering to public opinion and political expedience.


Let's just say there is indeed good reason to question whether many of the banned substances provide any significant competitive in boxing and the idea of having one set of standards and protocols across a multitude of vastly different sports doesn't seem to me at least to make a great deal of sense.

Or simply put, Canelo ate a Carne Asada taco before they asked him to piss.

I don't see much issue here, it was well documented prior to Canelo failing a test that Mexico's cattle was/is injected with Clenbuterol. This was a big enough problem for the Olympics to acknowledge and the Olympics are stringent and non lenient on PED's.

Now if boxers do this to take advantage knowing they'll get a pass is 1 thing but I don't see why Canelo cant be afforded the benefit of the doubt, just because hes making people favorite fighters look like amateurs.

[Citizen Koba]

Or simply put, Canelo ate a Carne Asada taco before they asked him to piss.

I don't see much issue here, it was well documented prior to Canelo failing a test that Mexico's cattle was/is injected with Clenbuterol. This was a big enough problem for the Olympics to acknowledge and the Olympics are stringent and non lenient on PED's.

Now if boxers do this to take advantage knowing they'll get a pass is 1 thing but I don't see why Canelo cant be afforded the benefit of the doubt, just because hes making people favorite fighters look like amateurs.

Well that's just it isn't it? We simply don't know if his failed tests were a result of meat contamination or deliberate use to gain a competitive advantage. People declaring that he's a cheat can't claim sufficient evidence to prove deliberate use, but those arguing that he's the innocent victim of the Mexican meat industry can't prove it either.