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[Monzon99]

Oscar threw the Floyd fight. And later promoted Floyd so he profited from the agreed on fix. Not unlike the famous Louis vs Braddock fix, where Braddock received a percentage of Louis purses for the next ten years. Not a bad gig eh?

Watch the fight and it's the same half speed, half intensity sparring session like Kovalev vs Canelo. Also note how Oscar abandoned throwing his jab late in the fight, his most effective punch vs Floyd.


Canelo was forced to throw the fight to Floyd. At the time Floyd's act for Showtime's six fight $150m contract was losing momentum and drawing fading revenues. So they needed a big name opponent they could buy off (They couldn't buy off Arum and Pac). So Haymon manipulated Espinoza to buy off Canelo to play soft on Floyd for 12 rounds. Watch the fight again if you can make it through without sleeping, another half speed, half intensity sparring session. So obviously rigged that Canelo's corner had zero urgency and desperation before the last round. So obviously rigged that Oscar De La Hoya and Julio Cesar Chavez did not even bother to show up the biggest fight in Mexican boxing history.

Yes, it's 100% certain both Oscar and Canelo threw their fights to Mayweather.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Canelo, when always talking about the Floyd fight to reporters, he always says ''I would never let myself be manipulated or coerced to do something like that again.'' I always thought he was referring to 152 and the whole experience. We will never know what was told of Canelo to do upon agreeing to the fight.

Thing is, if Floyd truly thought he could beat Canelo, hence ''thought,'' then he would've done it again at the 155 catchweight against either Cotto or Canelo to become a 6 Division CHamp and get the Lineal title at Middleweight. So there's a reason why it was done at 152. I thought Floyd was always into the Green Strap and Lineal. If he were still A side against Cotto or Canelo at 155, what was the hold up? 3lbs from 152 with Canelo or 1lb with Cotto at 155.

[Hooded Terror]

Oscar was a part-time, post-prime fighter by 2007. There was a reason Canelo struggled to stay consistently busy in his match with Kovalev. I believe Canelo is great at his game face, meaning, he was feeling the power but holding tough. The result were more than a handful of tentative moments. I remember Michael Spinks, known for his right hand, holding it back when he faced Dwight Qawi back in 1983. Tactics. McGirt was emphasizing tactics to Kovalev, and they almost made it to the end.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Oscar was a part-time, post-prime fighter by 2007. There was a reason Canelo struggled to stay consistently busy in his match with Kovalev. I believe Canelo is great at his game face, meaning, he was feeling the power but holding tough. The result were more than a handful of tentative moments. I remember Michael Spinks, known for his right hand, holding it back when he faced Dwight Qawi back in 1983. Tactics. McGirt was emphasizing tactics to Kovalev, and they almost made it to the end.

The reason why post Floyd could easily go 12 rounds was because of quality over quantity. The less punches thrown, the better the distance. Floyd knew every trick in the book in his late career and his defense was better than his youth. You use those advantages.

The reason why Canelo had to retrain output was because he was at a higher weight. Very difficult to know if he were to be attempting combinations and missing all night. So Canelo did the Floyd book of high guard-peekaboo and rely on counterattacks. Yarde, Ward, those guys don't fight relying on counterattacks. If its true, for many years, that GGG hit harder than Kovalev, then what would Canelo be afraid of? Even GGG diehards swore that GGG's jab was stronger than Kovalev's...

[4truth]

Oscar blew the fight not threw it. He tried to do too much the last 1/2 of the fight and failed to land anything significant. Floyd patiently waited and took advantage of Oscar when he opened up.

[Hooded Terror]

The reason why post Floyd could easily go 12 rounds was because of quality over quantity. The less punches thrown, the better the distance. Floyd knew every trick in the book in his late career and his defense was better than his youth. You use those advantages.

The reason why Canelo had to retrain output was because he was at a higher weight. Very difficult to know if he were to be attempting combinations and missing all night. So Canelo did the Floyd book of high guard-peekaboo and rely on counterattacks. Yarde, Ward, those guys don't fight relying on counterattacks. If its true, for many years, that GGG hit harder than Kovalev, then what would Canelo be afraid of? Even GGG diehards swore that GGG's jab was stronger than Kovalev's...

The higher weight did demand a rethink on output, however there was a reason Canelo WAS tentative at points beyond the halfway mark. Kovalev didn't suddenly lose his power overnight. He is a tactician who did his best work from midpoint to long range. In close his power is to a large extent, neutralized. While I do agree with your points to a point, Kovalev's power did quietly make a difference, and the beast that is Canelo, managed to mask it to some extent because of his professionalism.

[Thuglife Nelo]

The higher weight did demand a rethink on output, however there was a reason Canelo WAS tentative at points beyond the halfway mark. Kovalev didn't suddenly lose his power overnight. He is a tactician who did his best work from midpoint to long range. In close his power is to a large extent, neutralized. While I do agree with your points to a point, Kovalev's power did quietly make a difference, and the beast that is Canelo, managed to mask it to some extent because of his professionalism.

I told everybody that Canelo's best performance would be this fight because he didn't drain water. Most boxing fans take it for granted that draining water has no effect on the body the following day. Most fighters are 85% optimal level on average.

[Monzon99]

Canelo admitted he was manipulated to throw the fight. The weight issue was just a smokescreen.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Lol.......

[eco1]

Canelo, when always talking about the Floyd fight to reporters, he always says ''I would never let myself be manipulated or coerced to do something like that again.'' I always thought he was referring to 152 and the whole experience. We will never know what was told of Canelo to do upon agreeing to the fight.

Thing is, if Floyd truly thought he could beat Canelo, hence ''thought,'' then he would've done it again at the 155 catchweight against either Cotto or Canelo to become a 6 Division CHamp and get the Lineal title at Middleweight. So there's a reason why it was done at 152. I thought Floyd was always into the Green Strap and Lineal. If he were still A side against Cotto or Canelo at 155, what was the hold up? 3lbs from 152 with Canelo or 1lb with Cotto at 155.

''I would never let myself be manipulated or coerced to do something like that again. I will just do it to others from now on''