Is Morales right or wrong about Canelo?

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  • Curt Henning
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    #11
    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
    His earlier fights such as Floyd and Mosley couldn’t have happened any sooner, and Canelo was very young, so he somewhat deserves credit for facing a guy like Mayweather at 23.

    The GGG fight definitely could and should have happened sooner. All that 155 lb catchweight and marinating BS was on Team Canelo and arguably Canelo himself.

    I think this next decade will define Canelo’s legacy, will he fight a Andrade or Charlo, if he continues to fight above 160 will he fight a Smith or a Bivol.
    he’s undoubtedly a great fighter but (whether intentional or not) his resume evidently lacks wins over top level opponents in their primes.
    some people say the same about floyd...."his resume lacks wins over top level opponents in their primes" yet history will remember him fondly

    a guy like canelo isnt going through his career fighting high risk low reward guys that dont bring money or name recognition.....and most wouldnt if they had the road canelo had....

    canelos legacy is already secured....he has a chance to take it to cult level status in the next however many years he has left

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    • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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      #12
      Originally posted by Curt Henning
      some people say the same about floyd...."his resume lacks wins over top level opponents in their primes" yet history will remember him fondly

      a guy like canelo isnt going through his career fighting high risk low reward guys that dont bring money or name recognition.....and most wouldnt if they had the road canelo had....

      canelos legacy is already secured....he has a chance to take it to cult level status in the next however many years he has left
      I don’t think the criticism’s are as legitimate with Floyd. Corralles, Castillo, Judah, Cotto, Canelo (arguably pre prime) Hatton etc.

      Canelo’s legacy is far from secure, he’s had a memorable career thus far but his legacy is nowhere near the level of a Floyd, Pacquiao, De La Hoya etc. And surely they are the guys he wants to emulate.

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        #13
        Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
        I don’t think the criticism’s are as legitimate with Floyd. Corralles, Castillo, Judah, Cotto, Canelo (arguably pre prime) Hatton etc.

        Canelo’s legacy is far from secure, he’s had a memorable career thus far but his legacy is nowhere near the level of a Floyd, Pacquiao, De La Hoya etc. And surely they are the guys he wants to emulate.
        canelo was called too green...cotto was the same age as jacobs was when he fought canelo( i think off top of head...am i right)....judah was talked about as not as good as we thought....1st castillo fight is talked about as an L by many....

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        • RuleOfTheSpear
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          #14
          Let me see..

          Fought:

          Old Mosley
          Old Cotto
          Old Floyd
          Old Golovkin

          And now Old Kovalev

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          • R_Walken
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            #15
            Of Course Morales is Right

            Every Future HOF he’s fought was 35+ when he fought them a age when every boxer is on the slide

            That wasn’t done by Coincidence, It’s the Strategy you get the Young $ earner of the sport has the financial pull to get the big names in the Ring with and he gets to have the scalp of the Previous greats when they aren’t the same fighter

            Fans / Media don’t give a sh.it they just assume every win is built the same so The young $ man gets more credit then he deserves for beating down past legends

            Arum used the same strategy in the 1st half of Dela Hoyas career to build his Brand , Chavez / Pernell / Camacho all on their last legs when Iscar scalped Them. Notice when Iscar started facing Prime Elites in the 2nd half of his career he almost always lost

            It’s not just who you fight but when you fight them

            Canelo has by far the best resume of his era, but a lot of its smoke & mirrors , Canelos always been a draw and can pick and choose not only who he fights but when he fights them whether it’s age / Size / inactivity it’s almost always the most advantageous to him. Because of this He can get the big names while also avoiding his biggest threats who don’t have the name without much complaining from fans / media

            This fight is a perfect example he’s fighting Kov who’s past prime on his last legs while avoiding the biggest threats in his division ( Andrade / Charlo ) and no one cares because they’ve been hypnotized by the name Kov brings to the fight not the chance of him winning

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            • MASTER OF you
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              #16
              morales is right!

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              • FinitoxDinamita
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                #17
                He has a point but fighters can only face whoever is the best available at the time and Canelo has done it several times.

                Everybody’s resume can be nitpicked but Ive always known canelo as somebody who isnt afraid of real fights. He isnt a ducker.

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                • boliodogs
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
                  Canelo’s notable fights/wins:

                  Mosley aged 40.

                  Trout aged 27.

                  Mayweather aged 36.

                  Lara aged 31.

                  Cotto aged 35.

                  Golovkin aged 35.

                  Golovkin aged 36.

                  Jacobs aged 32.

                  Kovalev aged 36.

                  Does Morales have a point?
                  Yes he does. Kovlev is an obvious cherry pick when Beterbiev and Bivol and Callum Smith were all available.He could have given GGG an immediate rematch instead of fighting weak fighter fall down Fielding and then GGG leftover Jacobs and now old man Kovalev.. It's clear he won't fight GGG again until he is pushing 40.

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                  • Monzon99
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                    #19
                    Translation: Canelo is a rigged protected franchise like Floyd, with the major money behind him. The money masters pay off the aging challengers to play soft with their franchise.

                    American franchise fighters like Floyd, Wilder and Canelo are rigged to never lose. And protected from dangerous opponents they can't buy off (Golovkin, Beterbiev, Joshua, Whyte, Potevekin, Margarito, Pac for six years, Cotto when he was with Arum, Martinez)

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                    • boliodogs
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Curt Henning
                      some people say the same about floyd...."his resume lacks wins over top level opponents in their primes" yet history will remember him fondly

                      a guy like canelo isnt going through his career fighting high risk low reward guys that dont bring money or name recognition.....and most wouldnt if they had the road canelo had....

                      canelos legacy is already secured....he has a chance to take it to cult level status in the next however many years he has left
                      Canelo was a 13 to 1 favorite to beat Fall down Field for which he was paid 15 million buck, He was 4 to 1 to beat Jacobs for which he was paid 35 million bucks. He is a 4.5 to 1 favorite to beat Kovalev for which he will be paid 35 million bucks. High risk low reward fights?????? Yeah, right.

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