Why do we recognize any champion who isn’t lineal?

[ShaneMosleySr]

Did I start a sentence with technically or but?

Hopkins was the undisputed middleweight champion. You agree that he was champion, yes?

Taylor beat him and became undisputed champion. We’re still on the same page, right?

Pavlik beat Taylor. He’s champion, right?

Martinez beats Pavlik. You’re cool with him being champion, right?

Cotto beats Martínez. Are you cool with him being champion?

Canelo beats Cotto. Not sure why its unacceptable that he’s champion because he is.

Tell me where you stop considering someone champion and we’ll go from there I guess.

you can call Canelo whatever you like, but... he had never weighed more than 155, and he only beat a faded JMW who weighed 153

he was not even a middleweight... let alone a middleweight champ

again, you can call him whatever you like

this is proof that any sentence starting with the word "technically"... and any sentence followed by the word "but"... is bullshlt

[aboutfkntime]

155 is middleweight because it’s above 154.

Again, he beat Cotto, who beat Martinez, who beat Pavlik, who beat Taylor who beat Hopkins.

It was also for the WBC middleweight title. It would have been for the WBC and WBO but the WBO stripped Martínez for no reason.

It doesn’t get any more real than that.

no, that is absolute rubbish

middleweight is 160

155 is a catchweight, only 1lb over 154

Canelo weighed 155, and he beat a JMW who weighed 153

[aboutfkntime]

Did I start a sentence with technically or but?

Hopkins was the undisputed middleweight champion. You agree that he was champion, yes?

Taylor beat him and became undisputed champion. We’re still on the same page, right?

Pavlik beat Taylor. He’s champion, right?

Martinez beats Pavlik. You’re cool with him being champion, right?

Cotto beats Martínez. Are you cool with him being champion?

Canelo beats Cotto. Not sure why its unacceptable that he’s champion because he is.

Tell me where you stop considering someone champion and we’ll go from there I guess.

I did that already...

he never weighed more than 155... and he only beat a faded JMW who weighed 153

Canelo was not even a middleweight... let alone a middleweight champ

[aboutfkntime]

Tell me where you stop considering someone champion and we’ll go from there I guess.

Canelo was not a middleweight... nor was he a champion

Golovkin was the man at 160... not Canelo, and certainly not Cotto

you need to realize... this has already been discussed, for 309 pages

so you know that was no typo.... YES, it was 309 pages lol

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=768572

FACT: you are pushing shlt uphill with a pointed stick

[Curtis Harper]

Is there any substance to a particular lineal claim ?

[ShaneMosleySr]

154 is a weight limit.

160 is a weight limit.

155-160 is middleweight.

Cotto was allowed to weigh whatever he wanted. And he was middleweight champion.

no, that is absolute rubbish

middleweight is 160

155 is a catchweight, only 1lb over 154

Canelo weighed 155, and he beat a JMW who weighed 153

[ShaneMosleySr]

I did that already...

So Canelo is the first in that line of middleweight champions who couldn’t be middleweight champion because you decided 155 is to close to 154 for your personal liking.

That makes no sense.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Canelo was a middleweight and he was the champion.

Because he fought at middleweight and beat the middleweight champion (who beat the middleweight champion, who beat the middleweight champion, etc)

The guy you claim was the champion, fought Canelo and lost to him!

So what kind of claim is that?

Canelo was not a middleweight... nor was he a champion

Golovkin was the man at 160... not Canelo, and certainly not Cotto

you need to realize... this has already been discussed, for 309 pages

so you know that was no typo.... YES, it was 309 pages lol

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=768572

FACT: you are pushing shlt uphill with a pointed stick

[ShaneMosleySr]

It has been confirmed to me with this thread that the argument against lineal champions is being a fan of someone else in the division who has an ABC belt.

Because ABC belts give people a reason to not recognize the fighter they don’t like as the champion.

Don’t like Adonis Stevenson? No problem! He’s not the real champion!

Don’t like Canelo? No problem! He’s not the real champion!

It doesn’t matter that they are because you have some bull***** belt to back up your fan boy *****. Enjoy it I guess lol.

[techliam]

The lineal title is splintered just like the ABC titles

A more worthwhile endeavour would be recognising who is the no.1 of the division

Where there isn’t consensus, that should also be taken as important instead of the strange desire to always have someone at the top