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Should Ward's low blows, headbutts, elbows and excessive holding be illegal?

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  • #31
    He definitely got away with low blows in the Kovalev rematch. Poor officiating.

    Holding/clinching is a part of boxing and I don't think he does that to the extent where points should be taken away.

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    • #32
      We could have an automatic points system where judges are forced to point a specific way for specific performances.

      We never needed video to be invented to have eyes from the outside inform the ref he missed a foul.

      We don't have any of that because boxing is about fighting not a ballet performance and the quantification of anything is systemic bias. Boxing is vague on purpose, it's biases are personal on purpose, anyone who doesn't see the brilliance in letting fighter fight probably ought to just stick to ball sports.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post
        We could have an automatic points system where judges are forced to point a specific way for specific performances.

        We never needed video to be invented to have eyes from the outside inform the ref he missed a foul.

        We don't have any of that because boxing is about fighting not a ballet performance and the quantification of anything is systemic bias. Boxing is vague on purpose, it's biases are personal on purpose, anyone who doesn't see the brilliance in letting fighter fight probably ought to just stick to ball sports.
        True that boxing is not ballet and the rules of the sport are vague. But when rules are open to interpretation doesn't the ref become to much of a factor in the outcome of a fight?

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        • #34
          I don’t blame Ward so much as the referee. Ward is only taking what they are giving, it’s how all sports work.

          If the umpire is calling strikes 6 inches off the plate, the pitcher would be a fool not to throw there.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cutthroat View Post
            I dont think he can control who gets cut with a headbutt i mean he can be cut just as easily. Sergey was hitting Ward with low blows, nobody said anything about it. People tend to focus on Ward and not what the other guy is doing. Like I didn't see any outrage over say ggg for example dropping Derey with a shot to the back of the head, but if that was Ward? The outrage would be insane.
            There was a punch thrown by Golovkin and Derev was ducking down at the same time. It hit him in the top of the head near the back. Ward on the other hand head butted Kessler repeatedly. Hit him with an elbow on the jaw. Those weren't accidental. He's not the only fighter that Ward's fouled often. The man has a reputation for bending the rules. He got that reputation because people pointed out his tactics.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by 4truth View Post
              I don’t blame Ward so much as the referee. Ward is only taking what they are giving, it’s how all sports work.

              If the umpire is calling strikes 6 inches off the plate, the pitcher would be a fool not to throw there.
              maybe, but Ward's like a pitcher who intentionally throws at a batter's head, a defensive back who clotheslines a receiver, a bb player who shoves a player in the back on a fast break, a hockey player who... lol

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              • #37
                Originally posted by dannnnn View Post
                Just a simple question.
                Are we STILL doing this?
                Have u ever boxed?
                If u did, youd know the answer.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ruedboy View Post
                  True that boxing is not ballet and the rules of the sport are vague. But when rules are open to interpretation doesn't the ref become to much of a factor in the outcome of a fight?
                  Better to have personal bias against you than systematic bias, imo.

                  Take for example a puncher, if boxing scored all hooks, uppercuts, and overhands as automatically better than jabs and crosses then the puncher style would get an unfair advantage.

                  If the ref and judges happen to like punchers for one fight a boxer is in trouble and needs to really outperform the puncher, but it's just one fight.

                  On top of that with rigid rules there's no room for agreements. While it's not up to the boxers to tell the ref what to call, they can agree on who refs their fights. So you can match up your style with refs.


                  Weeks ref'd Floyd-Maidana one. Floyd got roughed up a bit.

                  Weeks also ref'd Ward-Krusher II, the one where Sergey got, yep, roughed up.

                  Thing is Maidana agreed to Bayless for the rematch, didn't think he needed Weeks. Krusher okay'd Weeks for their rematch...Probably should have kept Byrd or went with Bayless.

                  Those are two of my favorite refs btw, Weeks and Bayless got different styles so when you see them you kind of know what to expect for the guys.



                  I like boxing, as is, it doesn't need fixing just because people whine when their man loses.

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                  • #39
                    Rough House tactics are apart of boxing.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by dannnnn View Post
                      Just a simple question.

                      They are all illegal.

                      But that is why Ward is always the hometown fighter so the judges and the ref favor him and let him get away with it.

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