"The Cat" Usyk vs "Rocky" Marciano in a war: who wins?

[LoadedWraps]

You're a cute kid. I do appreciate your posts. And I think you have the potential to really "get things". So don't let my post seem dismissive or harsh. If not for my criticism how else would you grow?


Usyk came of age in a very different era than Marciano.

Look at football: no matter how good you are, you do not sign right out of high school. I think a lot of guys would argue that straight out of college you're really not ready either. But a Minor League really wouldn't work. And you're always worried about accumulating injuries derailing promising careers before they even start. The moment a kid first puts on his gear, it's a race against time.

Baseball doesn't have A minor league. It has many. Players aren't even expected to hit their prime until they're intheir 30's, and great pitchers are defined by decades of play.

I'll be the first to say football has gotten too soft. And Baseball is too diluted. Ithink i've ranted about that enough on these boards in my tangetns. The point remains, sport has changed tremendously over generations.

Usyk has never fought anyone w/ a losing record, or anything resembling it. In fact, many of his opponents were undefeated. He won his championship w/in 10 pro-fights. No one knew if Marciano would ever become a contender, let alone consider matching him w/ a top 10 Heavyweight in his first 10 fights. And even you will admit he would have lost to the current champion (badly) at that point.

So yeah, Usyk hasn't hobbled through a dozen or so Phil Muscatos to break himself out of the local circuit. He didn't get a gift decision over a Roland LaStarza (fight 25) to become a contender.

Can yo ushow me footge of an oppoent of Marciano who looks as good as Gasiev?

You're a known troll / alt, don't blow a blood vessel. You fostering growth in me? 'Wraps?

Imagine.

[LoadedWraps]

That's a pretty weak response. Don't use boxrec or YouTube and I will agree with you. Sorry if you are making an allegation like that you need to provide some proof. He grew up in an area where the Italian Mafia was prevalent. Not knowing someone connected was unlikely. Mobsters liked hanging around with celebrities it gave them some legitimacy or so they thought. Show me something that proves his fights were fixed. Nat Fleisher checked into his record and as far as he was concerned it was legitimate.

Well said. He was legit.

[Boxing Scene]

Dempsey was never accused of being on steroids. I really enjoyed watching Holyfield fight and admired him but there is strong circumstantial evidence he was on something.

Correct. Holyfield was a proven drug cheat. This is why I don't support him or his entire run at heavyweight. He was even juicing at cruiser.

[LoadedWraps]

Correct. Holyfield was a proven drug cheat. This is why I don't support him or his entire run at heavyweight. He was even juicing at cruiser.

Holyfield is an ATG.

['b']

If someone with Usyk's ability was fighting in the 40s or 50s he'd probably be talked about as the undisputed GOAT today. The way I see it is Gassiev would bully Marciano and Marciano's era was primitive compared to today

[Rusty Tromboni]

Holyfield is an ATG.

Who was made in a lab.

Prove you actually have some talent, and people will open up a world to you that you can't even imagine.

[Rusty Tromboni]

If someone with Usyk's ability was fighting in the 40s or 50s he'd probably be talked about as the undisputed GOAT today. The way I see it is Gassiev would bully Marciano and Marciano's era was primitive compared to today

Yup.

Here's the guys they are saying are better than Gassiev:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnvtDcpPpMI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXGEOrJ0USY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTtzltIK2ng&t=348s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqr-wMprjEk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMUxnxYGG-U

Remember, Harold Johnson had beaten Charles before Marciano did, here's Harold Johnson against Oakland Billy Smith. I am dying to hear the arguments for how Smith is better than Gassiev:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIgUmCb5Td4


Really, can anyone tell me what any of Marciano's opponents had over Gassiev?

Gassiev, clearly, is more one-dimensional. But he's technically sound, effective, and bigger than anyone Maricano fought.

[PRINCEKOOL]

If someone with Usyk's ability was fighting in the 40s or 50s he'd probably be talked about as the undisputed GOAT today. The way I see it is Gassiev would bully Marciano and Marciano's era was primitive compared to today

What ability? People speak as if Usyk has revolutionize boxing from a technical perspective, doing things boxing fans have never seen before. His boxing skills are completely and utterly overrated, he was being out boxed by Tony Bellew 'Who was dead at the weight, by the time he moved back down to cruiser-weight'.

There is not one attribute, whether it be physical or technical which Usyk has which you can describe as great. Usyk does not hit particular hard, his defense is really simple, and his speed is nothing special. Usyk is just a fundamentally sound fighter, who is good in every area.

When you are a fighter moving up through the weight classes, you need a area of your game which is great. David Haye had abnormal punching power, speed and immense defensive capabilities, Evander Holyfield had near physical Invulnerability, immense physical strength, a great engine couple with complete all around boxing skills 'Holyfield was a complete fighter, there was nothing inside of the ring he could not do'.

I have stated this afew times? I would give David Price & Derek Chisora a chance of being Usyk, I honestly do not understand the mass hysteria over his boxing skills or ability as a fighter.

It is really bizarre, it is as if people are suffering from cognitive dissonance 'Did anybody see his last fight? And people within the boxing community are trying to insinuate that Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua etc are afraid our weary of Usyk? Very bizzare behavior, but I think it is just the way society is going,

'None of the top heavyweights are afraid of Oleksandr Usyk'.

[Jax teller]

Archie Moore - 188lbs, 5'11", 38 years old
Ezzard Charles - 192.5lbs, 6'0", 33 years old
Joe Louis - 207lbs, 6'2", 37 years old, previously retired
Joe Walcott - 194lbs, 6'0", 39 years old

Gassiev - 198.5lbs, 6'4", 24 years old
Bellew - 199lbs, 6'3", 35 years old
Briedis - 199lbs, 6'1", 33 years old
Glowacki - 199lbs, 6'0", 30 years old

Marciano - 188lbs, 5'10
Usyk - 215lbs, 6'3

Marciano's opponents physically don't compare giving their age and size to Usyks opponent who could gain another 10+lbs on fight night and are much less worn in general. Usyks opponents are talented even if you argue Marcianos opposition was more so my opinion is their size and youth makes them harder fights.

I'd have to put my money on Usyk as Marciano never got to fight anyone elite in their prime or as big Usyk.

['b']

What ability? People speak as if Usyk has revolutionize boxing from a technical perspective, doing things boxing fans have never seen before. His boxing skills are completely and utterly overrated, he was being out boxed by Tony Bellew 'Who was dead at the weight, by the time he moved back down to cruiser-weight'.

There is not one attribute, whether it be physical or technical which Usyk has which you can describe as great. Usyk does not hit particular hard, his defense is really simple, and his speed is nothing special. Usyk is just a fundamentally sound fighter, who is good in every area.

When you are a fighter moving up through the weight classes, you need a area of your game which is great. David Haye had abnormal punching power, speed and immense defensive capabilities, Evander Holyfield had near physical Invulnerability, immense physical strength, a great engine couple with complete all around boxing skills 'Holyfield was a complete fighter, there was nothing inside of the ring he could not do'.

I have stated this afew times? I would give David Price & Derek Chisora a chance of being Usyk, I honestly do not understand the mass hysteria over his boxing skills or ability as a fighter.

It is really bizarre, it is as if people are suffering from cognitive dissonance 'Did anybody see his last fight? And people within the boxing community are trying to insinuate that Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua etc are afraid our weary of Usyk? Very bizzare behavior, but I think it is just the way society is going,

'None of the top heavyweights are afraid of Oleksandr Usyk'.

Lol. few factors I'll go through (I'm drunk af)). Usyk is overrated, I agree. He was being outboxed by Bellew, I agree (also by Hunter). Usyk is also a slow starter though, and doesn't mind being outboxed 'slightly' if it's within his expectations. He is a high IQ fighter and slowly turns up the heat as the fight progresses, and always finishes much stronger than his opponent. His greatest attribute is his cardio and high ring IQ.

Usyk could fight Bellew 1000 times and beat him 1000 times but look like chit 1000 times out of 1000 for the first 5 rounds. He isn't the most entertaining fighter but you'd be a fool to underestimate his fighting IQ. There are literally 'tens' of factors running through your head as a fighter if you are intelligent like Mayweather, Usyk etc. and you are constantly gauging your opponents' strengths and weaknesses throughout a fight/boxing match. Usyk hansn't come up short thus far for a reason.,

Marciano is a legend, not many would dispute that. But he is a legend of his era, and that era has been surpassed significantly.

EDIT; Also agree that Holyfield AND Haye make better HWs than Usyk. Price and Chisora most definitely can beat Usyk.