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  • Clubber Pac
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    Al Haymon and PBC are wiping out the competition

    I wrote awhile back that PBC was destroying the market place, and I continue to be proven correct week in and week out.

    After Mayweather retired, like really retired, the PPV market in boxing evaporated, many (including this writer) believed it would never recover, or approach the heights it did when Floyd was wrecking the sport.

    Al Haymon meanwhile had a plan, and while it took time to really get cooking, to see what he has thrust upon the boxing world is unbelievable, I can still remember posters on this website calling PBC a failure, mocking Haymon for wasting money on an idea that would never work, even Thomas Hauser got in on the act.

    In 2018-2019, PBC has put on top rated show, after top rated show, and also produced moderately successful PPV's consistently.

    The terrestrial broadcasts have done very well, even the shi/tty fights are attracting viewers, advertising revenue is skyrocketing, the shows hosted by fighters, and the innovative approach to cover the fights between fights has elevated the brand to HBO levels.

    Because PBC offers so many free fights, fans are fine with paying for a PPV a couple times a year, and my gosh has the cash rolled in.

    Wilder/Fury, Garcia/Spence, Manny/Broner, Manny/Thurman, Spence/Porter, these shows have reinvigorated the PPV market while also monopolizing it, PBC is making money hand over fist because of the PPV model the company in place, and the fact that it's only competition in the market place does not have the substance to present acceptable PPVS for the asking price.

    ESPN is losing money every time they stage a show, it's gotten so bad, that they are paying fighters that draw 3000 paying customers 8 figure salaries, Top Rank is a loser for ESPN because the company itself is no longer signing enough elite fighters to support such a venture, they just dont have the talent, the depth, or really the leadership to even be mentioned in the same breath as PBC, it's only a matter of time before Disney cuts the cord, Arum will then turn to DAZN, if DAZN is still in boxing.

    DAZN was a novel idea, but it has been a big loser thus far, and it lacks the PPV model, so fighters can't really make on the spot upside, there is bonuses for subscription spikes, but the thresholds are ludicrous, most fighters don't see anything from them. So the simple problem here, is the company spent a ton of money with a dubious long term plan, signed talent to massivefront loaded contracts, and didn't really have streams of revenue to offset the impending overhead, fans to did not purchase enough subscriptions to support half of what the company attempted to do, DAZN failed because of a bad business plan so to speak.

    They committed an ridiculous amount of money to fighters without a clear way to make some of the money back, which PPV revenue would address.

    If DAZN offered terrestrial options, had a PPV model in place that was competitive, and did not depend so heavily on fighters that are not American, or from Europe, they might be able to stay in the game for a couple years, that is not the case, so at this point, DAZN is a sinking ship, they will start buying out contracts, and reducing dates within 2 years.

    A big part of DAZN going into the tank was AJ turning out to be somewhat of a fraudulent ATG, that hurt the network, they envisioned AJ as a new age Joe Louis, figured he would drive subscriptions, but even before Ruiz kicked his a$$, AJ was not moving the needle, his numbers on Showtime were a joke prior to DAZN, and his first fight on DAZN did nothing for DAZN's subscription base, AJ's lack of appeal in America was something DAZN could have anticipated if they did some research, only now are they hedging on offering AJ a boatload of cash with his contract expired.

    If AJ lives up to the hype, perhaps the subscription model would have sustained, but he didn't, and thus, DAZN is headed for the tank.

    PBC is winning while everyone else is losing, it's enough that Haymon's team has wiped out the comp skynet style, but DAZN and ESPN are folding tents independent of PBC because they don't have enough talent, enough streams of revenue, not to mention PBC's fighters have far more advanced media profiles as a group.

    Some have argued that Haymon's goal to create UFC of boxing, and while it's debatable if that is good or bad for the sport, there is no debate that is where things are headed in terms of the American television market.

    Look at the numbers, look at the talent, look at the benefactors supporting the companies, who would you bet on?

    PBC has angel investors, and they are preparing to furnish the next round.

    Haymon is going to sell a portion of his shares, obtain series C financing, and expand his relationships, sign even more fighters, and continue to pump out PPV's while offering an increasingly popular free television option.

    It would not be out of the question for investors to spot him a billion minus his windfall for selling shares, at that point, he will be thinking IPO, which will change the sport forever.

    Heads up everyone, it's Al Haymon's world, we are just living in it, against a backdrop of people hating him because he is black,, he outsmarted the entire industry, made all of his clients rich, and will retire a billionaire many times over.

    Even the haters have to respect the hustle.
  • turnedup
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    #2
    Holy shhhh that wall of text, I must’ve missed the memo on when we suddenly started caring so much about promoters rather than fighters..

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    • Clubber Pac
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      #3
      Originally posted by turnedup
      Holy shhhh that wall of text, I must’ve missed the memo on when we suddenly started caring so much about promoters rather than fighters..
      Myopic response, boxing fandom extends to the business side

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      • patron
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        #4
        You have too much time on your hands bruh. Just sit back and enjoy the fights.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Clubber Pac
          Myopic response, boxing fandom extends to the business side
          Sorry but this is a sport my man, we tune in to watch...wait for it..wait for it...boxers not promoters. Haymon as great as his is, isn’t the one fighting and it’s fair to say most of his fighters are just now coming to finally choosing to fight each other after like five years. It is what it is, all business people in the sport are self serving in the end.

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          • Clubber Pac
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            Originally posted by patron
            You have too much time on your hands bruh. Just sit back and enjoy the fights.
            Another myopic response, good grief, seems like some of us don't have a counter argument.

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            • Jsmooth9876
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              #7
              Lol.... yeah, because they give us such blockbusters as Lara vs Canelos brother I'm willing to shell out $400 a year for their PPV shows...

              You cant make this s*** up...
              I'll happily buy fights I think are good matchups and not a waste of my $$ like Spence vs Garcia ,Wilder vs Ortiz 2, and Spence vs D Garcia if it happens.

              Give me Wilder vs Fury2 and Spence vs Pac/crawford and you get the money...

              Just because they're forcing 5 or 6 PPV shows down our throats a year now doesn't mean it's worth purchasing them...

              But you stay busy cheerleading bud......

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              • BigStomps
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                Originally posted by Clubber Pac
                I wrote awhile back that PBC was destroying the market place, and I continue to be proven correct week in and week out.

                After Mayweather retired, like really retired, the PPV market in boxing evaporated, many (including this writer) believed it would never recover, or approach the heights it did when Floyd was wrecking the sport.

                Al Haymon meanwhile had a plan, and while it took time to really get cooking, to see what he has thrust upon the boxing world is unbelievable, I can still remember posters on this website calling PBC a failure, mocking Haymon for wasting money on an idea that would never work, even Thomas Hauser got in on the act.

                In 2018-2019, PBC has put on top rated show, after top rated show, and also produced moderately successful PPV's consistently.

                The terrestrial broadcasts have done very well, even the shi/tty fights are attracting viewers, advertising revenue is skyrocketing, the shows hosted by fighters, and the innovative approach to cover the fights between fights has elevated the brand to HBO levels.

                Because PBC offers so many free fights, fans are fine with paying for a PPV a couple times a year, and my gosh has the cash rolled in.

                Wilder/Fury, Garcia/Spence, Manny/Broner, Manny/Thurman, Spence/Porter, these shows have reinvigorated the PPV market while also monopolizing it, PBC is making money hand over fist because of the PPV model the company in place, and the fact that it's only competition in the market place does not have the substance to present acceptable PPVS for the asking price.

                ESPN is losing money every time they stage a show, it's gotten so bad, that they are paying fighters that draw 3000 paying customers 8 figure salaries, Top Rank is a loser for ESPN because the company itself is no longer signing enough elite fighters to support such a venture, they just dont have the talent, the depth, or really the leadership to even be mentioned in the same breath as PBC, it's only a matter of time before Disney cuts the cord, Arum will then turn to DAZN, if DAZN is still in boxing.

                DAZN was a novel idea, but it has been a big loser thus far, and it lacks the PPV model, so fighters can't really make on the spot upside, there is bonuses for subscription spikes, but the thresholds are ludicrous, most fighters don't see anything from them. So the simple problem here, is the company spent a ton of money with a dubious long term plan, signed talent to massivefront loaded contracts, and didn't really have streams of revenue to offset the impending overhead, fans to did not purchase enough subscriptions to support half of what the company attempted to do, DAZN failed because of a bad business plan so to speak.

                They committed an ridiculous amount of money to fighters without a clear way to make some of the money back, which PPV revenue would address.

                If DAZN offered terrestrial options, had a PPV model in place that was competitive, and did not depend so heavily on fighters that are not American, or from Europe, they might be able to stay in the game for a couple years, that is not the case, so at this point, DAZN is a sinking ship, they will start buying out contracts, and reducing dates within 2 years.

                A big part of DAZN going into the tank was AJ turning out to be somewhat of a fraudulent ATG, that hurt the network, they envisioned AJ as a new age Joe Louis, figured he would drive subscriptions, but even before Ruiz kicked his a$$, AJ was not moving the needle, his numbers on Showtime were a joke prior to DAZN, and his first fight on DAZN did nothing for DAZN's subscription base, AJ's lack of appeal in America was something DAZN could have anticipated if they did some research, only now are they hedging on offering AJ a boatload of cash with his contract expired.

                If AJ lives up to the hype, perhaps the subscription model would have sustained, but he didn't, and thus, DAZN is headed for the tank.

                PBC is winning while everyone else is losing, it's enough that Haymon's team has wiped out the comp skynet style, but DAZN and ESPN are folding tents independent of PBC because they don't have enough talent, enough streams of revenue, not to mention PBC's fighters have far more advanced media profiles as a group.

                Some have argued that Haymon's goal to create UFC of boxing, and while it's debatable if that is good or bad for the sport, there is no debate that is where things are headed in terms of the American television market.

                Look at the numbers, look at the talent, look at the benefactors supporting the companies, who would you bet on?

                PBC has angel investors, and they are preparing to furnish the next round.

                Haymon is going to sell a portion of his shares, obtain series C financing, and expand his relationships, sign even more fighters, and continue to pump out PPV's while offering an increasingly popular free television option.

                It would not be out of the question for investors to spot him a billion minus his windfall for selling shares, at that point, he will be thinking IPO, which will change the sport forever.

                Heads up everyone, it's Al Haymon's world, we are just living in it, against a backdrop of people hating him because he is black,, he outsmarted the entire industry, made all of his clients rich, and will retire a billionaire many times over.

                Even the haters have to respect the hustle.
                Look at this silly hoe!! 😄😆😂
                Swinging off Al's nutts like George of the jungle...
                Real boxing fan's care about the fights not the promoters!
                But WTF you talking about destroying the competition? Destroying what??
                Are you fuccing ******??
                Have you not seen DAZN's boxing schedule for the next three months??
                Al Haymon ain't destroying shet punk!
                Me, I want all promoters to succeed cause i watch all boxing regardless of promoter or TV network.
                But you sound ****** as fucc saying " my gosh has the cash rolled in ",.....
                You act like you getting some of that money....
                Your lame ass counting another man's money.... 😄
                You're a straight lame!
                So stay broke punk!

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                • RoyJonesJrp4pno1
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                  Tl;Dr was invented for this thread.

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                  • Htown-Finest
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                    Originally posted by Clubber Pac
                    I wrote awhile back that PBC was destroying the market place, and I continue to be proven correct week in and week out.

                    After Mayweather retired, like really retired, the PPV market in boxing evaporated, many (including this writer) believed it would never recover, or approach the heights it did when Floyd was wrecking the sport.

                    Al Haymon meanwhile had a plan, and while it took time to really get cooking, to see what he has thrust upon the boxing world is unbelievable, I can still remember posters on this website calling PBC a failure, mocking Haymon for wasting money on an idea that would never work, even Thomas Hauser got in on the act.

                    In 2018-2019, PBC has put on top rated show, after top rated show, and also produced moderately successful PPV's consistently.

                    The terrestrial broadcasts have done very well, even the shi/tty fights are attracting viewers, advertising revenue is skyrocketing, the shows hosted by fighters, and the innovative approach to cover the fights between fights has elevated the brand to HBO levels.

                    Because PBC offers so many free fights, fans are fine with paying for a PPV a couple times a year, and my gosh has the cash rolled in.

                    Wilder/Fury, Garcia/Spence, Manny/Broner, Manny/Thurman, Spence/Porter, these shows have reinvigorated the PPV market while also monopolizing it, PBC is making money hand over fist because of the PPV model the company in place, and the fact that it's only competition in the market place does not have the substance to present acceptable PPVS for the asking price.

                    ESPN is losing money every time they stage a show, it's gotten so bad, that they are paying fighters that draw 3000 paying customers 8 figure salaries, Top Rank is a loser for ESPN because the company itself is no longer signing enough elite fighters to support such a venture, they just dont have the talent, the depth, or really the leadership to even be mentioned in the same breath as PBC, it's only a matter of time before Disney cuts the cord, Arum will then turn to DAZN, if DAZN is still in boxing.

                    DAZN was a novel idea, but it has been a big loser thus far, and it lacks the PPV model, so fighters can't really make on the spot upside, there is bonuses for subscription spikes, but the thresholds are ludicrous, most fighters don't see anything from them. So the simple problem here, is the company spent a ton of money with a dubious long term plan, signed talent to massivefront loaded contracts, and didn't really have streams of revenue to offset the impending overhead, fans to did not purchase enough subscriptions to support half of what the company attempted to do, DAZN failed because of a bad business plan so to speak.

                    They committed an ridiculous amount of money to fighters without a clear way to make some of the money back, which PPV revenue would address.

                    If DAZN offered terrestrial options, had a PPV model in place that was competitive, and did not depend so heavily on fighters that are not American, or from Europe, they might be able to stay in the game for a couple years, that is not the case, so at this point, DAZN is a sinking ship, they will start buying out contracts, and reducing dates within 2 years.

                    A big part of DAZN going into the tank was AJ turning out to be somewhat of a fraudulent ATG, that hurt the network, they envisioned AJ as a new age Joe Louis, figured he would drive subscriptions, but even before Ruiz kicked his a$$, AJ was not moving the needle, his numbers on Showtime were a joke prior to DAZN, and his first fight on DAZN did nothing for DAZN's subscription base, AJ's lack of appeal in America was something DAZN could have anticipated if they did some research, only now are they hedging on offering AJ a boatload of cash with his contract expired.

                    If AJ lives up to the hype, perhaps the subscription model would have sustained, but he didn't, and thus, DAZN is headed for the tank.

                    PBC is winning while everyone else is losing, it's enough that Haymon's team has wiped out the comp skynet style, but DAZN and ESPN are folding tents independent of PBC because they don't have enough talent, enough streams of revenue, not to mention PBC's fighters have far more advanced media profiles as a group.

                    Some have argued that Haymon's goal to create UFC of boxing, and while it's debatable if that is good or bad for the sport, there is no debate that is where things are headed in terms of the American television market.

                    Look at the numbers, look at the talent, look at the benefactors supporting the companies, who would you bet on?

                    PBC has angel investors, and they are preparing to furnish the next round.

                    Haymon is going to sell a portion of his shares, obtain series C financing, and expand his relationships, sign even more fighters, and continue to pump out PPV's while offering an increasingly popular free television option.

                    It would not be out of the question for investors to spot him a billion minus his windfall for selling shares, at that point, he will be thinking IPO, which will change the sport forever.

                    Heads up everyone, it's Al Haymon's world, we are just living in it, against a backdrop of people hating him because he is black,, he outsmarted the entire industry, made all of his clients rich, and will retire a billionaire many times over.

                    Even the haters have to respect the hustle.

                    Geez. This was longer than a PUNCHR thread.


                    But your right about AJ - DAZN. AJ losing and to an PBC boxer didn't help. It would be like Spence/Pac losing to Bud. Or Tank losing to Loma. Wilder losing to Fury


                    I wouldn’t say PBC wiping competition. They control the always popular elite division 147 and have the man who beat AJ + Wilder + Tank


                    DAZN has their 3 main fighters boxing last quarter GGG-Canelo-AJ.

                    Varies at times per season

                    IMO PBC has the more popular fighters overall and have done good job with promotions.


                    I’d say

                    1. PBC
                    2 DAZN. Not far behind
                    3. ESPN

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