How do journeymen or “tomato cans” train

[aboutfkntime]

Yeah man I feel like they’re called Uber drivers cause they literally have a full time job and other side jobs like Uber just to make ends meet and they don’t have the time or money to train much, because they lose and only make like 2k a fight

club fighters and such, sure... most of them do

[Mr. 29K]

We should ask Triple Flop that

[Ganondorf]

Ask everyone that Crawford has faced at Welterweight thus far. Lol

[Marchegiano]

Orale!

Y'all make some good points that I don't mean to say is wrong, but, the idea that a journeyman approaches camp with the same mentality to put in the same work is flawed.


Hit and don't be hit back boxing comes from Daniel Mendoza to make money, and it worked. Daniel was a *** and so his clientele ended up being guys like him, not white christians. Black dudes became his star pupils and black dudes became their star pupils. Mendoza's style, Mendoza School, comes to the states at least forty years prior to Corbett running his head straight back. Corbett is boxing's Elvis, he came up with nothing and only ripped off black folk he saw, poorly. Okay, he's a little worse than Elvis given Elvis wrote good music and Corbett at best is just okay. Anyway, Corbett made it genius and boxing as you know it became more of a staple. The black fellas not being allowed to win fights against white fighters from 1810 to 1930s set them on a separate path from the mainstream. They did not train to win, winning wasn't an option for them, they were not all together concerned with a big fight because when winning isn't an option being the very best of who isn't allowed to win is almost a guarantee the champion will not fight you, Wills/Godfrey so on, being too poor at it means the champ certainly is not fighting you. Being a good, game, sure to put on a good show but not win the fight, opponent is who the champ would look to fight, at best, and so getting the big one is like a lottery. Rather than being concerned with a great record/resume or big fights they focused on a style AND training that would allow them to put on a show for the crowd and keep them safe. Two fast nickels theory. They want to fight as often as possible and they want to keep themselves as healthy as possible to do it.

Which is why the colored champions get respect despite having pretty bad records. About the best they could do given the situation.


Anyway, my point is, I'm pretty sure the journeyman model was formed by the black guys during the colorline. Because, before them training wasn't even staple and as they formed their ideals around survival, professionalism, and activity others were forming the basis for how to train a champ today. Now we have both forms with good fundamentals and plenty to teach to whoever would try their hand. You can still make a decent living boxing even if no one's heard of you. Stay safe and fight often. Two things journeymen are still very good at.

[*Makaveli*]

Snickers , tacos and lots of shagging

[New England]

Yeah man I feel like they’re called Uber drivers cause they literally have a full time job and other side jobs like Uber just to make ends meet and they don’t have the time or money to train much, because they lose and only make like 2k a fight

they're called uber drivers because they used to be called "cab drivers" aka guys with full time jobs who box on the side.


for starters, TS, you cannot train full time year round in boxing as a grown man. your body will break down. these guys "stay in the gym" to stay on weight and be ready when the phone rings. make no mistake, they are not expecting to win, either, and they know the skinny. that doesn't mean they don't try to win, but the deck is stacked and they know it. a "house fighter" has weeks to train, a stipend to train when he's not fighting, has been active and on a winning streak, he's probably bigger than you are and younger; the deck is stacked. so you go rounds. maybe you go the distance. live to fight another day and get paid for it.


it's usually guys with power or who have high skill caps that are able to "steal" a win from a house fighter. think darnell boone, emanuel agustus, etc. sometimes you learn more fighting those guys than you will going 10 or 12 with a world champion.

[Pkety]

Sounds about right I didn’t expect them to be training full time

[LoadedWraps]

Just like anything else in life. There are many doctors who did all of their medical studies but still suck. Only top 5% contribute to new medicine and technology. The rest just hold knowledge of which they cannot really apply. Or their mindset and philosophy is hampered by any personality flaws humans withhold. You've been driving for what? 5+ years? But you're not an F1 driver, now are you? A lot of times it isn't how hard you work, or how much you know. These general people work hard, like you posted, but they do not achieve. The results just aren't there. No matter how hard you work, you can be totally misguided in how you set a foundation and everything.

Great post.

People look at me bewildered when we are arguing about good vs bad driving and I remind them driving is a skill. You can work hard and be bad at something. You can also be naturally gifted at something. And you can be both, neither, or a blend. There are D level fighters that train daily, and get no further than club status, and there are those that won't achieve beyond that level not because of lack of opportunity but because of lack of work ethic or heart.

[FredRekk]

Well regardless if they’re considered journeyman or whatever, if they a to fight a highly touted professional boxer, they’re getting a good check. More than just an average salary employee.

So compared to the best of the best in the sports or the world, they’re journeyman or tomato cans.
But they’ll completely school all of the spectators like us in a heartbeat.

[strykr619]

some fighters who people refer to as journeymen, or cans...

train just as hard - or nearly as hard - as top professionals

they train next to them, in the same gym... with the same trainer

they just aren't as good

not all... just some

Very good post. This is spot on.