Comments Thread For: Showtime's Espinoza: Wilder-Ortiz PPV 'Deal Didn't Make Sense For Us'

[REDEEMER]

Breazeale might have been PPV in the UK where there PPV standards are low. Could of swore it wasn't PPV in the US. AJ hasn't really drawn big ratings in the US with Showtime, HBO or DAZN. No UK PPV in recent years would have been a PPV in the US.

Joshua drew more people sold out a 20k venue in his pro debut then Wilder period. You guys talk utter nonsense , he was a huge success in the U.S period and is even bigger now. If he did PPV with Ruiz it would break records.

[RL_GMA]

It is kinda crayz that we're headed into an era with both HBO and Showtime fazed out of Boxing. It's bitter sweet but needed. People are dumping Cable subscriptions and Firesticks / Streaming Boxes are becoming too much of the norm. The bright side though is Boxing will be in front of a lot more faces. However they start co-promoting (FOX / ESPN) is yet to be seen but Wilder v Fury 2 SEEMS like the 1st step towards that.

[RL_GMA]

Joshua drew more people sold out a 20k venue in his pro debut then Wilder period. You guys talk utter nonsense , he was a huge success in the U.S period and is even bigger now. If he did PPV with Ruiz it would break records.

It wouldn't break records in the US if you're talking AJ vs Ruiz on PPV. The PPV market in the US is in the *****ter because of firesticks / streaming boxes. Look at DAZN's subscription rate. They're literally praying for new subs hence why they forced the Canelo vs Kovalev on that November date to appease AJ v Ruiz 2 in 2 billing cycles. In the States, Joshua right now is known as the guy who got KO'd by little fat guy (to Casuals).

[Bob Haymon]

Cuz your favorite promoter is afraid of his fighters losing....

That doesn't even make sense. Crawford and Joshua aren't with the same promoter.

[cally93]

Wilder's loyalty is to PBC. PBC rewarded that loyalty by creating a bidding war between FOX and SHO. Wilder is now guaranteed a lot of money regardless of how many buys the PPV actually does and the pressure is on FOX to promote the PPV like crazy so they can make their money back.

And that’s why he’s not the brightest tool in the box bro. Showtime literally gave the fight to fox due to it not being realistic this article states as much.

I don’t think Haymon had to even create a bidding war, Wilder’s so ****** (from a business/financial sense) that I’m sure he’s very easy for Al and Finkel to manipulate, it’s hard to defend someone who turns down 100m with a straight face.

[EnglishOxide]

DAZN: Deyonce, here's $20m to fight Breazeale, $40m to fight AJ and another $40m to fight AJ.

Haymon: I can do better than that Deyonce, here's $10m to fight Breazeale and now you have to fight Ortiz again for another $10m. We outsmarted those DAZN muhfuckers so much that Showtime dropped us.

[Boksfan]

Showtime is saying Beyonce Wildher can't sell a PPV? What a shocker!

[The Big Dunn]

I don't see what the big deal is. SHO opted not to air the PPV. Fox will air the PPV. Does it really matter if Fox or SHO handles the PPV?

[MC Hammer]

Wilder isn't pay per view without Fury or AJ, so it's good for us . To bad Wilder really isn't that smart , poor guy was told to turn down a guaranteed 100 million .

For a fight that A) Wouldn't happen because AJ lost or B) he would've gotten 40 mil for while making AJ's team 60. I think he prefers not to be a tool

[MC Hammer]

Joshua drew more people sold out a 20k venue in his pro debut then Wilder period. You guys talk utter nonsense , he was a huge success in the U.S period and is even bigger now. If he did PPV with Ruiz it would break records.

No he didn't. Those ticket were on StubHub and depreciating in value up until the day of the fight. Hearn did like he used to in the UK and scalped them to 3rd parties and it didn't come close to selling out. Wilder vs Brazeale did tho.