Does the WBA "regular" title count as a legit title?

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  • Citizen Koba
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    #21
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    Not that simple is it.

    When it was first introduced in 2001 it was just for unified champions in recognition of the additional mandatory burden on them. In 2009 this rule was amended to make any WBA champion who had 5 defences a 'super' champion and took away the requirement to be unified (the sole beneficiary of this puzzling rules change was WBA favourite one Adnan Ćatić who was facing a troubling mandatory requirement at the time)... problem this leaves us is obvious - under these rules the 'super' title shouldn't in theory be allowed to be won in the ring. Beating the super champion should net you the regular title until you got 5 defenses of your own. Cept it ain't even that simple.

    Dudes at the WBA will sometimes make you a Super champ when you unify, sometimes they won't (Indongo wasn't)

    They will sometimes make you a 'Super' when you reach 5 defences, sometimes they won't (Golovkin wasn't)

    They will sometimes make you a 'Super' just because they damn well feel like it (Tank was even though Machado was incumbent, Fedor Chudinov was when Ward vacated, Cotto was after fighting Yuri Foreman).

    Sometimes they'll make you 'Super' when you beat the 'Super' Champ (Jezreel was, Machado was... and then wasn't).

    Sometimes they'll even leapfrog the regular titleholder altogether and fight for a vacant 'Super' title (Mr Catic again vs Fedor Chudinov).

    Damn ****'s all over the place.

    Anyway, I digress... point being we got a situation where sometimes there is a both a super champion and a regular and sometimes there is just a regular 'World' champion.

    Rules I play by are that when there's an incumbent Super champ they take precedence, when they're ain't I count the regular 'World' title as the legit one. There's no hard and fast rules of course, so you can play it how you like, but if you choose to simply ignore the WBA regular you're cutting out a good few well known titleholders - Broner for one, Linares, Maidana, Badou Jack...
    Last edited by Citizen Koba; 09-24-2019, 07:25 PM.

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    • BoxingIsGreat
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      #22
      Originally posted by non stop boxing
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      All belts are crooked and meaningless. I don't recognize any of them. Real fans know who the real champion in each division is.

      With some divisions, though, it's not clear, like the heavyweight. There are many okay fighters with not much to separate them. No champion here.

      I even hesitate using the word "champion" in this era of averages.

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      • nghtmr111
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        #23
        It just depends on who you're a fan of and what mood people are in it seems.

        I don't consider it a legit title. Isn't that usually the belt someone gets when they become the mandatory for the 'super' title? With that being said... I am a GGG fan. I personally don't think Canelo's 168 title is legit. He is NOT a 3 division champion... but to be fair, Triple G didn't have that extraordinary amount of title defenses if he had the 'regular' title. His KO percentage and streak was impressive itself. But you can't say he legit defended the title 'x' amount of times if it was that ****** regular belt.

        I might have my information incorrect and I can live with being corrected if wrong.
        Last edited by nghtmr111; 09-24-2019, 07:56 PM.

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        • GhostofDempsey
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          #24
          In my opinion no. But in today’s corrupt alphabet soup of sanctioning bodies, it only matters depending on who has the regular belt. Manny or Canelo can bring in big sanctioning fees with those second tier belts, and that is all these sanctioning bodies care about. Money.

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          • b00g13man
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            #25
            It didn't count for GGG then, and it doesn't count for Canelo now. What I do however want to see from those who went on about GGG equaling Hopkin's title defences is consistency.

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            • DARTH SILKWORMS
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              #26
              The industry is very clear: it counts.

              The networks, fighters, promoters and managers have all decided that the WBA world championship and Super WBA world championship are both world championships. Whether fans like it or not, that is how the sport is treating the situation.

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              • DreamFighter
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                #27
                as long as you can find a world to attach it to, then yes.

                Currently there is no second world for which it can be a title. Until one pops up in the Universe, then no its just a belt to show you are a top contender.

                This is not about opinion, what we want to think means nothing - its about there not being a 2nd planet earth for which this can be a title for that whole world....theres already a world title for this planet earth.
                Last edited by DreamFighter; 09-25-2019, 02:18 AM.

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                • DreamFighter
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by DARTH SILKWORMS
                  The industry is very clear: it counts.

                  The networks, fighters, promoters and managers have all decided that the WBA world championship and Super WBA world championship are both world championships. Whether fans like it or not, that is how the sport is treating the situation.
                  thats because they want the money in your pocket.

                  who wouldnt decide to take your money if they can, by telling a lie. well, the unscrupulous.

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                  • Abby26
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                    #29
                    Triple flop had the regular wba belt fr 7 of his defenses at middlwgt so if if u dont count them then he never tied hopkins. boom!!!

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                    • DARTH SILKWORMS
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by DreamFighter
                      thats because they want the money in your pocket.

                      who wouldnt decide to take your money if they can, by telling a lie. well, the unscrupulous.
                      The lie is treating the super title as a world title. Treating the world title as a world title isn't the lie.

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