Who would win this HW version of the "Super Six"?

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In light of the last Fury fight I can understand some having more doubts about Furys chances in the rematch, but I think Fury gets up for these legacy kinda fights so Wilder is gonna get the best Fury. And lets not forget how many issues Wilder has. If his athleticism or his power is off on any given night vs any given fighter hes gonna get embarrassed bad. Wilder is gonna be just like AJ with losing to randoms when he starts losing. I mean AJ made Andy a name guy. Not many were thinking Andy was winning big fights like this.

But come on with the delusional stuff. That seems kinda harsh.

At this stage of Furys career with outclassing the best HW of the last era before he damn near merked AJ & now with his outclassing of Wilder for most of the fight when most didnt think he was gonna hang at all for how out of it he was & coming back from a KD no one thought he was getting up to win the rest of the round is it reallllllly THAT delusional to think Fury can beat anyone in the game on his best night & their best night. I dont think it is or should be a shocking thing to say that.

I get questioning his motivation. His focus. His recent resume. Some of the sh^t he says. His lack of in the ring entertainment value for a HW or in general. And Im sure for other reasons Im forgetting. But you cant question his skills & desire to win I feel like & I think you are underrating the man if you let those other questions get in the way of the main question of can this goofy looking talking to much mfer can fight.

And he can fight. And he can beat anyone in the division as long as he shows up on fight night & idk that Id say that about anyone else in the division. Anyone else in the division can still lose to other guys in the division even if they show up 100% on the night.

Good post. If Fury is at his best, he clowns everyone on that list.

[*Makaveli*]

Cant see past a Fury Wilder final , Wilder winning emphatically by KO

[Marchegiano]

In light of the last Fury fight I can understand some having more doubts about Furys chances in the rematch, but I think Fury gets up for these legacy kinda fights so Wilder is gonna get the best Fury. And lets not forget how many issues Wilder has. If his athleticism or his power is off on any given night vs any given fighter hes gonna get embarrassed bad. Wilder is gonna be just like AJ with losing to randoms when he starts losing. I mean AJ made Andy a name guy. Not many were thinking Andy was winning big fights like this.

But come on with the delusional stuff. That seems kinda harsh.

At this stage of Furys career with outclassing the best HW of the last era before he damn near merked AJ & now with his outclassing of Wilder for most of the fight when most didnt think he was gonna hang at all for how out of it he was & coming back from a KD no one thought he was getting up to win the rest of the round is it reallllllly THAT delusional to think Fury can beat anyone in the game on his best night & their best night. I dont think it is or should be a shocking thing to say that.

I get questioning his motivation. His focus. His recent resume. Some of the sh^t he says. His lack of in the ring entertainment value for a HW or in general. And Im sure for other reasons Im forgetting. But you cant question his skills & desire to win I feel like & I think you are underrating the man if you let those other questions get in the way of the main question of can this goofy looking talking to much mfer can fight.

And he can fight. And he can beat anyone in the division as long as he shows up on fight night & idk that Id say that about anyone else in the division. Anyone else in the division can still lose to other guys in the division even if they show up 100% on the night.

Yep, Wilder gonna knock reality into him.

Oh yeah bud, i've heard this sort of **** for way longer than Wilder's even been active. Basically just repeating Marciano's career complete with the same criticisms.

Also, before I was a Wilder fan I was a Ward fan and before him a Floyd fan. Literally none of the men I've ever watched and went "Wow's he's never gonna lose' ever lost so I'm pretty secure and set in my ways. I heard all about how those guys would lose, who, when, what it'd be like, it's still just a fantasy.

In both Marciano and Wilder's case there is this vehement and delusional belief that a little more of something that failed would be what stops them. A little more guile. a little more IQ, a little more quickness, so on. Y'all ever thought maybe that's what those men are looking for? Maybe a little more boxing is exactly what Wilder needs for a little harder KO?

What is sword and shield if not wait and bait game? A little more Fury means a Fury who is getting hit a little more often and a little harder.


Yeah, Tyson fights up to his opposition. That's why Wilder knocked the sense out of him until 4 while Cunningham only dropped him. I don't question Fury's ability at all, I question the philosophy behind the idea that a little more of what failed yields anything but a little worse result for him when he gets hit.

Walcott tried a little more.

Ezzard tried a little more.

Roland tried a little more.

I could go on and you know it but my point is made. A little more got them a little more ****ed up and not any closer to a W.

When Tyson Fury goes to be cute that'll be the end of Tyson Fury. Wilder already knows what to do and how to do it. A little more just gets Fury a little more hurt.

It's ****ing delusional to think had that been a 15 rounder it'd've been good for Tyson. As the fight went on things just got worse. As Tyson felt more pressure to perform he just got hurt. We're gonna do it again and expect the same ****, just more of it, to yield something different.

It never worked against Marciano and will not work against Wilder because it's a silly approach that people only believe in because they look at one side of the story. Yeah, TF got close, so is two jackpots and on a slot machine. Put in a little more money and see if yer ass ain't just a little more broke.

I knew Money would never lose because it's obvious he can do whatever he wants in the ring.

I knew Ward would never lose because he never even had a logical rival, Krusher, at the end of his career, just to prove a point, is his career rival now.

I've been saying Wilder would go unbeaten since 2011 when Manny told us to check these kids out because his only logical rival is a pure boxer who will never ever give up the deluded belief that pure boxing is what works best in this sport.

He's just going to get more of what he got and no one really wants to see Fury get more out of Wilder. Dude will be hurt.

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Wilder is gonna get his head boxed off, again!!

A boxer always beats a puncher, especially in a rematch.

[Eff Pandas]

Yep, Wilder gonna knock reality into him.

Oh yeah bud, i've heard this sort of **** for way longer than Wilder's even been active. Basically just repeating Marciano's career complete with the same criticisms.

Also, before I was a Wilder fan I was a Ward fan and before him a Floyd fan. Literally none of the men I've ever watched and went "Wow's he's never gonna lose' ever lost so I'm pretty secure and set in my ways. I heard all about how those guys would lose, who, when, what it'd be like, it's still just a fantasy.

In both Marciano and Wilder's case there is this vehement and delusional belief that a little more of something that failed would be what stops them. A little more guile. a little more IQ, a little more quickness, so on. Y'all ever thought maybe that's what those men are looking for? Maybe a little more boxing is exactly what Wilder needs for a little harder KO?

What is sword and shield if not wait and bait game? A little more Fury means a Fury who is getting hit a little more often and a little harder.


Yeah, Tyson fights up to his opposition. That's why Wilder knocked the sense out of him until 4 while Cunningham only dropped him. I don't question Fury's ability at all, I question the philosophy behind the idea that a little more of what failed yields anything but a little worse result for him when he gets hit.

Walcott tried a little more.

Ezzard tried a little more.

Roland tried a little more.

I could go on and you know it but my point is made. A little more got them a little more ****ed up and not any closer to a W.

When Tyson Fury goes to be cute that'll be the end of Tyson Fury. Wilder already knows what to do and how to do it. A little more just gets Fury a little more hurt.

It's ****ing delusional to think had that been a 15 rounder it'd've been good for Tyson. As the fight went on things just got worse. As Tyson felt more pressure to perform he just got hurt. We're gonna do it again and expect the same ****, just more of it, to yield something different.

It never worked against Marciano and will not work against Wilder because it's a silly approach that people only believe in because they look at one side of the story. Yeah, TF got close, so is two jackpots and on a slot machine. Put in a little more money and see if yer ass ain't just a little more broke.

I knew Money would never lose because it's obvious he can do whatever he wants in the ring.

I knew Ward would never lose because he never even had a logical rival, Krusher, at the end of his career, just to prove a point, is his career rival now.

I've been saying Wilder would go unbeaten since 2011 when Manny told us to check these kids out because his only logical rival is a pure boxer who will never ever give up the deluded belief that pure boxing is what works best in this sport.

He's just going to get more of what he got and no one really wants to see Fury get more out of Wilder. Dude will be hurt.

So you think Wilder is some modern day Marciano & basically is almost destined not to lose? Idk about that one, but fair play on the prediction happening.

I dont see it happening if he has at least 4 or 5 more fights. So he could do it if he steps away soon, & hes getting up there in age where he could be thinking of walking away, & gets by Fury, AJ & Ruiz all of which I consider Wilder a 60/40 fav or coin flip to win fights.

I get Floyd & Dre. But I think Rocky was lucky to end his career with a perfect record. And I think Wilder would need to get a lil lucky to end with his 0 intact too.

[KillaMane26]

Ima have to go with Wilder. His KO ratio too high. I thought Fury won their match but Wilder is known to do better in rematches. I dont see him surviving again. And thats the only guy i see beating Wilder

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

LMAO at these idiots picking a Fury that just got the 2nd gift of his career and a bum like Wilder who hasn’t fought anyone (Fury hasn’t fought anyone as well apart from an unmotivated Wlad and he just got his eye punched out of the eye socket by a Uber driver).

AJ beats all of them on his day, including Ruiz and everyone would see that in Dec. No compromises in Dec.

Povetkin should beat at least 3 out of 5. I see Povetkin beating Ruiz, Wilder and Miller. AJ already beat him but his fight against Fury is 40-60.

Fury on his day should beat 3 out of 5.

Then Ruiz is next.

The only person Wilder can beat on that list is Miller. And Miller should end up with 5 losses.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

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[MulaKO]

Fury

We know he raises him game according to who he fights

The only fighter there that can possibly beat him is Wilder because he has the equaliser with that power.

None of those others would have any real chance of beating Fury

I totally agree with you although I see Wilder actually beating Fury this time
But if he doesn’t then my pick would be Fury
Fury will mimic Klitschko boxing in the future imo
Box from the outside and get the points victory

While neither Fury or Wilder impressed me, Wilder did sit Fury down 2x. I think the rematch will show Wilder ending Fury within 10.

I believe Wilder will get the better of Fury in their rematch
Wilder just needs to be less anxious and stop fughin throwing for the ko right off the bat
I do know though that when he connects , this time , he will finish Fury off

[Marchegiano]

So you think Wilder is some modern day Marciano & basically is almost destined not to lose? Idk about that one, but fair play on the prediction happening.

I dont see it happening if he has at least 4 or 5 more fights. So he could do it if he steps away soon, & hes getting up there in age where he could be thinking of walking away, & gets by Fury, AJ & Ruiz all of which I consider Wilder a 60/40 fav or coin flip to win fights.

I get Floyd & Dre. But I think Rocky was lucky to end his career with a perfect record. And I think Wilder would need to get a lil lucky to end with his 0 intact too.

that's close enough actually yes.

There be only one Rock, ever, he's anatomical anomaly as well. Little bitty arms and hands on modern HW sized thighs, like a ball-peen hammer on a rocket, but, what they have in common is more than just some of the details or their biographies. They both adhere to a fundamental boxing philosophy that's far older than modern boxing. If I told you Rocky Marciano has more in common with a bare knuckle fighter than a modern HW I know it wouldn't be the first time you've read that. Folks been saying that about Marciano since he was active. What I'm claiming isn't so much that Deontay's some kind of reincarnation so much as the next man to give that theory a try. Deontay too has more in common with bare knuckle era champions than he does with his own era HWs.


that's not emphasis I'm attempting so much as I know I get a bit rambly and figured I'd highlight the key points for you.


Deontay's tall and skinny, Rocky's short and squat, which gives them far different postures to take advantage of but those postures serve the same purpose; bump with the shield and kill with the sword.

One assumes a ladder like evolution in sport. As if we have these new philosophies because they defeated the old one in the ring. That's not the case at all. Bare knuckle, as in styles, never lost to Queensberry styles in the ring. In fact, John L was not much of a boxer at all, he was a hitter, he was a bare knuckle fighter in gloves. George Godfrey was faaaaar more boxer than John L.

What happened to the old ways is seen in wallets. Boxing makes more money. It behooved the trainers, promoters, managers, even the venues, to have boxers, so, they tell their men to box. When I say box I do mean modern ideals that center around hitting and not being hit back. Even when looking at a classic modern example of a puncher, like say Frazier or Foreman, both those men give away their modernize boxing philosophy with their feet. A criticism modernist give to Wilder and Marciano that has not stopped either man from being effective and is not applicable to either Foreman nor Frazier, or Tyson, or Shavers, or pretty much any 'hard hitter' outside of of Marciano or Wilder.

What if I said their feet are not wrong they're just really ****in' old?

What if I said the style they fight is the hardest style known to boxing history to perform but is also the most successful in boxing history?

Rocky Marciano's claim to fame alls apart as soon as you look at the other ten, yes ten, unbeaten HW champions from the bare knuckle era.

Wilder himself holds nothing special to me. The style Wilder uses, the postures Wilder takes. I love seeing Wilder bumble into a corner like he doesn't know where he is, he's trying to do some killing then. I love seeing Wilder wing some nonsense to lul his man into believing Deontay doesn't know how to throw a straight right despite him being Deontay ****in' Wilder, the man who can do nothing right but throw a straight right. These guys give him a situation he can take advantage of because they believe he's trying to box, they think he's trying to win a modern boxing match when he isn't at all. He's done that once ever and we all saw the massive change his is posture, control of distance, guard, and type of punches he was willing to throw.

I was more scared I was wrong when he boxed Bermane than I was when he bumped Fury with his shield and delivered the sword blow smack on his dome. That was some primo ****. Fury is not an easy man to guile.

If he can guile Fury he can KO anyone. Tyson's always been the only question and since he dropped him twice and Tyson's only answer is to be more active....I really really feel like Wilder already answered everything I need to know. The sword and shield style has not been beaten in the ring and won't be any time soon.

Last time a sword and shield fell to a boxer was when Hen Pearce was champion. Hen Pearce being like your only 'scientific' unbeaten HW champion and Marciano having 9 others like him in the era when his style was actually used...I'm going with the style that delivers unbeaten HW champions.

[deathofaclown]

I totally agree with you although I see Wilder actually beating Fury this time
But if he doesn’t then my pick would be Fury
Fury will mimic Klitschko boxing in the future imo
Box from the outside and get the points victory





I believe Wilder will get the better of Fury in their rematch
Wilder just needs to be less anxious and stop fughin throwing for the ko right off the bat
I do know though that when he connects , this time , he will finish Fury off

I still pick Fury to win but i’ve always felt their fights will be the most intriguing in the division.

I always thought Fury is the one heavyweight that can go a full fight with Wilder and not get caught with anything significant enough to end the fight.

On the flipside, i always felt Wilder is the one fighter that can land big damaging shots on Fury. All the other heavyweights are way too orthodox and straight forward. Fury at his best would see their punches a mile off and also have too much good movement.

So yeah, i always felt they’re the only current heavyweights that can beat each other. I think both beat the rest.

Their styles are made for good fights together i think.