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  • Robi13
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    #51
    Originally posted by skinnystev
    research has shown that alvarez's main fanbase is adolescent mexican girls if you want to align yourself with this group be my guest just don't p*ss your panties at alvarez's next fight
    Show up to Alvarez next fight and wear a shirt that says what you think... good luck

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      #52
      Originally posted by Robi13
      Ok jab, you make good points... how does any of what you said make canelo “entitled” is it his fault he gets “favoritism”? I don’t think it is so I don’t get your sentiment about him being entitled... it’s not like he is running around boasting and bragging and demanding all these things you and many acuse him of. To the contrary, the man is humble, and wants to chase greatness by fighting the best of the best time and time again just look at his resume. I don’t get the whole entitlement sentiment to be honest
      OK, I'll explain. By entitlement, I mean he gets treatment that is favorable to him. Some his fault, some not, but entitlement nonetheless. The scorecards he gets is just 1 aspect of that. His first title shot was an example of entitlement. He was given a shot for a vacant tile at 154 vs an unranked welterweight in Matthew Hatton. The main purpose was to get Canelo to beat Fernando vargas record of being the youngest world champion at 154. That wasn't fair because vargas beat a credible champion in campas while Canelo got to fight Matthew Hatton who wasn't even a good welterweight. Canelo again acted entitled when he had his fit against the wbc over them enforcing ggg as a mandatory. That eventually led to what happened recently with the franchise belt. They were scared to strip him so made up a belt that would be his forever and no mandatory would ever be enforced. That's what I mean when I say entitled.

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      • Thuglife Nelo
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        #53
        Originally posted by Shadoww702
        Man I’m a HUGE Canelo fan and even I won’t defend him on this. He failed a PED test. Could he or could he not of had tainted meat? Yes but same time no. He failed and that’s a fact. Which is strike 2 for me. This first I heard him not testing? So I can’t really comment on it.
        Originally posted by Robi13
        Ok jab, you make good points... how does any of what you said make canelo “entitled” is it his fault he gets “favoritism”? I don’t think it is so I don’t get your sentiment about him being entitled... it’s not like he is running around boasting and bragging and demanding all these things you and many acuse him of. To the contrary, the man is humble, and wants to chase greatness by fighting the best of the best time and time again just look at his resume. I don’t get the whole entitlement sentiment to be honest
        The point has been made by several posters and the problem with boxing is that industry writers are scared to be blacklisted nor pursue real double standards because they too fanboy.

        Nobody in here will acknowledge USADA and VADA having cleared cases of Clenbuterol NO FAULT / NEGLEGENCE due to meat contamination and WADA themselves including Margaret Goodman (VADA CEO) have acknowledged the problems with Clen.

        Boxing fans are naive, if all Mexican boxers were doing ADVANCED ANTI DOPING they’d all have trace amounts. Sulaiman knows this and they exploited the opportunity with Canelo Alvarez because probably some night the fatso got drunk and decided to pull a fast one on Canelo knowing the WBC waives these cases from the non-star status profiles, that includes China and Russia. Or else none of these Third World Countries would enroll with fees for the WBC. It’s all about money.

        Ward would screen pre testing before enrollment. He said he even paid high money to screen his supplements from possible contamination. A guy like Canelo Alvarez or any other high level star would send random samples to agencies under different names if it was always about cheating and then ensure no traces when doing an official agency with an opponent.

        I’ve said this before, just like notice the Thurman PAC case and their flop with VADA testing... surgeries much?

        Knee surgery commonly uses Clenbuterol for patients. Is it cheating? That’s a debate. If it’s Medically used outside of sport one would think so correct? But because we as fans and competition from all within industry we have no tolerances for circumstances, including facts shown that WADA recently provided a protocol and a new threshold for cases like Canelo.

        The real issue is Breadman being advised to publish these propaganda articles and continue creating suspense around Canelo when his damn own fighter is with Conte.

        Imagine if Canelo were with Conte?

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        • Robi13
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          #54
          Originally posted by Jab jab boom
          OK, I'll explain. By entitlement, I mean he gets treatment that is favorable to him. Some his fault, some not, but entitlement nonetheless. The scorecards he gets is just 1 aspect of that. His first title shot was an example of entitlement. He was given a shot for a vacant tile at 154 vs an unranked welterweight in Matthew Hatton. The main purpose was to get Canelo to beat Fernando vargas record of being the youngest world champion at 154. That wasn't fair because vargas beat a credible champion in campas while Canelo got to fight Matthew Hatton who wasn't even a good welterweight. Canelo again acted entitled when he had his fit against the wbc over them enforcing ggg as a mandatory. That eventually led to what happened recently with the franchise belt. They were scared to strip him so made up a belt that would be his forever and no mandatory would ever be enforced. That's what I mean when I say entitled.
          Anyone would be upset to be stripped, as far as him getting the title shot against Hatton, that’s not his fault, any boxer would take a title shot at anytime... but ok we can agree to disagree

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            #55
            Originally posted by Robi13
            Anyone would be upset to be stripped, as far as him getting the title shot against Hatton, that’s not his fault, any boxer would take a title shot at anytime... but ok we can agree to disagree
            was he stripped of the belt or did he drop it himself in anger. Otherwise, yes, agree to disagree.

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              #56
              Originally posted by Jab jab boom
              was he stripped of the belt or did he drop it himself in anger. Otherwise, yes, agree to disagree.
              They dropped it because it wasn’t going to purse bid anyways. Though Devry felt he should have gotten more off Canelo and didn’t mind that rate for Golovkin..

              You’d probably have to draw a picture for Devry in Ortiz refusing the AJ check whereas Ruiz Jr. Gladly took the pay and we saw what happened. Haymonism...

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                #57
                Originally posted by Jab jab boom
                was he stripped of the belt or did he drop it himself in anger. Otherwise, yes, agree to disagree.
                He vacated, but it’s not that Simple why do we have to keep going back through it? 55-45 sound fair? Yes disagree

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                • Thuglife Nelo
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Robi13
                  He vacated, but it’s not that Simple why do we have to keep going back through it? 55-45 sound fair? Yes disagree
                  DAZN didn’t even care for Devry. The rotations after the WBC made Charlo full Champ got DiBella parading for the IBF Mando. But we all know the approval fights were GGG or Kovalev, not Devry or Andrade. Kovalev took Yarde fight knowing the options for Canelo in Nov.

                  With all these circumstances who cares for the IBF belt. Canelo haters acting like he ducked Devry for Kovalev...

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                  • Robi13
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by I'm Widdit!
                    DAZN didn’t even care for Devry. The rotations after the WBC made Charlo full Champ got DiBella parading for the IBF Mando. But we all know the approval fights were GGG or Kovalev, not Devry or Andrade. Kovalev took Yarde fight knowing the options for Canelo in Nov.

                    With all these circumstances who cares for the IBF belt. Canelo haters acting like he ducked Devry for Kovalev...
                    We were talking about when canelo vacated the wbc when ggg was mando, but thx for the input 👍

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                    • Thuglife Nelo
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Robi13
                      We were talking about when canelo vacated the wbc when ggg was mando, but thx for the input 👍
                      Oh yeah that.

                      Well fatso Sulaiman thought Canelo vs GGG would do 2.+ million PPVs and was buying all the “Mexican style” garbage that Abel and Loeffler had schemed along with JCC endorsing GGG because Abel found a way to have suckered Julio about a copycat show from his fight with Edwin Rosario. Being flattered, Julio only rode GGG train for a short while until he got the clue..

                      The reason why Canelo also dropped the belt was because the WBC didn’t empathize while enforcing a purse bid while Canelo was going through a 8.5mil suit with his former promoter All Star boxing.

                      When Canelo lost the money GBP helped him reup on losses with JCC Jr. fight.

                      After all that, Canelo kept on refusing any belts associated to the WBC and low and behold the WBC and VADA schemed Clenbuterol for what 99% of all Mexican boxers potentially have, and the WBC know it

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