Comments Thread For: Sulaiman Needs To Check His Facts in Latest Attack on AIBA

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Jalolov has been a pro for a year, and has fought opponents who are 31-11-6 in those 6 pro fights. Sulaiman's wasn't that vocal when a 49-0 (20 years) career Mayweather was scheduled to fight Mac.

Instead he placed a belt on the line and charged them a sanctioning fee.

[Boxing Logic]

This case seems like the wrong one to scrutinize, Torres is very experienced, it looked like he made a big mistake (he seemed to never have seen a 6'7" before) the man threw 1twos the whole time and he just kept getting tagged, with that said, the permitting of pro fighter just seems wrong from the standpoint of: young amateurs are being used to practice with the convenience of it( the outcome) not going on your professional record.
Suleiman, who is obviously interested in Mexican and Mexican American success in the professional game might have had his eye on Torrez as a future tittle holder, he is somewhat famous in our area in California and for the most part has been dominating the amateur heavyweight scene in the USA

That's the real issue right there. Prejudice towards one human over another based on race or nationality. Had the situation been reversed Suleiman probably would have celebrated. Instead of picking horses based on nationality, he and Boxing as a whole needs to start picking horses based on talent. I hope Torrez recovers fully, but my takeaway from that highlight package is that boxing may have a future cruiserweight or heavyweight star, Jalolov, that Suleiman should fully get behind instead of championing other less talented boxers who happen to be American or Hispanic. Jalolov is 6'7, he's still only 25 years old, and the highlight package shows what appears to me to be excellent handspeed for a heavyweight, and clearly some power as well.

[sicko]

Yeah it ****** to see Richard Torrez go down like that. Good Heavyweight Amateur Prospect...that being said instead of being mad at others, probably should be more upset with the USA Side of things and them not pulling Richard Torrez which they could've done I'm sure

[Richard G]

Neither of these responses addresses the crux of my argument, which is that a professional should not be competing against an amateur in an amateur tournament. KOs aside, and Sulaiman hypocrisy aside, I do not feel a professional should be in the ring with an amateur

Most people agree with you I'm sure but I bet that the complaint would not have arisen had Torres won. His KO has not been the only one so that is not really relevant either.

[EDD1]

That's the real issue right there. Prejudice towards one human over another based on race or nationality. Had the situation been reversed Suleiman probably would have celebrated. Instead of picking horses based on nationality, he and Boxing as a whole needs to start picking horses based on talent. I hope Torrez recovers fully, but my takeaway from that highlight package is that boxing may have a future cruiserweight or heavyweight star, Jalolov, that Suleiman should fully get behind instead of championing other less talented boxers who happen to be American or Hispanic. Jalolov is 6'7, he's still only 25 years old, and the highlight package shows what appears to me to be excellent handspeed for a heavyweight, and clearly some power as well.

You're right, the man should support the sport and not the nationality, unfortunately there is a long history of bias behavior that is just part of the sport now, in all directions.
This case was highlighted by the fact that it seemed more brutal than what usually happens in amateur competition, and we can ask ourselves: how did the fact that he's a professional affect the outcome? Why is a professional fighting in the amateur competition? And is it fair?

[-Hyperion-]

Sulaiman is full of ****.

[Citizen Koba]

I respectfully disagree with the article and agree with Mr Sulaiman. Putting an amateur in the ring with a professional is unethical

Unethical on what grounds? Professional or amateur status has nothing to do with the skill or ability level of a fighter, merely refers to whether they get paid for that ish or not - and even then the lines are blurred.

[Monty Fisto]

Unethical on what grounds? Professional or amateur status has nothing to do with the skill or ability level of a fighter, merely refers to whether they get paid for that ish or not - and even then the lines are blurred.

Theoretically what you say is true, but in reality, pros have historically shown knowledge of how to get away with all sorts of dark arts that have been kept out of the amateurs. Scraping with the laces of the gloves, elbows, foot-stepping, holding in a way that the ref never sees -- an amateur would move up to the pros and be exposed to all this. Cutting off the route back to the amateurs served to keep this crap in the pro game.

[GGG Gloveking]

Unethical on what grounds? Professional or amateur status has nothing to do with the skill or ability level of a fighter, merely refers to whether they get paid for that ish or not - and even then the lines are blurred.

Besides the things mentioned by the other poster, I direct you to USA Boxing rule 8.2 subsections 2 and 3 which state that a professional shall not be matched against an amateur and that a professional shall not compete as an amateur. Further, some states, such as Indiana, have statutory law which precludes professionals from competing as amatuers.

[Citizen Koba]

Besides the things mentioned by the other poster, I direct you to USA Boxing rule 8.2 subsections 2 and 3 which state that a professional shall not be matched against an amateur and that a professional shall not compete as an amateur. Further, some states, such as Indiana, have statutory law which precludes professionals from competing as amatuers.

Well we could have a debate about the ways in which law and ethics differ, and why, but that wasn't quite my question. There may be good reasons not to allow it, but I'm not sure I'd be making that case on ethical grounds. Most national level amateurs are far better and more highly trained than the vast majority of the 30,000 odd registered professionals.

And the argument that professional 'veteran' tactics would somehow contaminate the amateur sport doesn't really wash either - firstly both sports can only operate on the assumption that the ring officials prevent any such illegal acts in either sport and secondly the ammys ain't quite the choirboys they're somehow being painted as - the competition and drive to win is every bit as fierce, and yeah, if they can get away with some shit they will, although it is fair to say refs are probably typically less tolerant in the ams.


Besides - how is an amateur any less well equipped to fight than a pro debutante? And if you ain't gonna let a decorated amateur fight a pro then what possible grounds could you make for a guy with no experience either pro or am ever being allowed to start boxing competitively?

I think the rules - or laws - you refer to here probably have a deal more to do with the the financial implications and (possibly misplaced) ideals about the sanctity of amateur sport than realistic concerns about fighter safety, although I could be wrong - there is some sense in a country like the US where few remain in the ammys much past their teens of pro vs am matches being 'men against boys' but this doesn't necessarily hold true globally.