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[techliam]

It seems like the same posters who keep wishing DAZN to fail are the ones who defended PBC to the death when others wished PBC would fail

[jimisawesome]

Strangest thing is having convos with some of those who want it to fail...and for some reason they really try and say that they would rather pay for a high priced PPV over the spread that DAZN rolls out over the year.

You get a lot of solid fights with DAZN for $100 a year...and quite a few great fights and PPV quality fights..you will spend over $100 on two PPVs! And some of the PPVs are Spence Porter etc..which should not be! Just wild imo

Personally its great I get 2 PPV fights and a bunch of other content cheaper than what it would normally cost.

But, for the sport DAZN is dumb. It has a bad business model that will never work but will do damage to the existing business model that does work.

DAZN is in the business of selling 75 dollar PPV for 20 while selling cable TV level fights for 20 dollars. All the while paying fighters as they are selling 2 million buy PPVs.

DAZN is never going to create new boxing fans. DAZN is creating massive inflation in the market when cats like Dervy are making 5 million on a fight that will not gross 5 million which is to say nothing of GGG money. You think the next cat fighting GGG is going to take 500k? No they will expect ****** money. They have allowed public ****** numbers be it 9 figures for ggg or 100 million 3 fights for WIlder or 5 to 8 million for Tank to be out there trying to win internet message board ****-talking all the why negotiating against themselves.

So yeah again awesome that pay 20 dollars for what I would have paid 75 dollars for twice a year but that is short term. When DAZN continues to cut back it makes it just that much harder to make fights.

[Boxing_1013]

Personally its great I get 2 PPV fights and a bunch of other content cheaper than what it would normally cost.

But, for the sport DAZN is dumb. It has a bad business model that will never work but will do damage to the existing business model that does work.

DAZN is in the business of selling 75 dollar PPV for 20 while selling cable TV level fights for 20 dollars. All the while paying fighters as they are selling 2 million buy PPVs.

DAZN is never going to create new boxing fans. DAZN is creating massive inflation in the market when cats like Dervy are making 5 million on a fight that will not gross 5 million which is to say nothing of GGG money. You think the next cat fighting GGG is going to take 500k? No they will expect ****** money. They have allowed public ****** numbers be it 9 figures for ggg or 100 million 3 fights for WIlder or 5 to 8 million for Tank to be out there trying to win internet message board ****-talking all the why negotiating against themselves.

So yeah again awesome that pay 20 dollars for what I would have paid 75 dollars for twice a year but that is short term. When DAZN continues to cut back it makes it just that much harder to make fights.

I hear ya..though I don't really follow the last sentence you wrote.

They did overpay...as they said, it seemed to be a market-entry fee...and if they end up raising the price in the future, then the appeal it had for me will largely be gone.

But at present it is a great thing imo...I have 0 interest in paying $75 again for a PPV...after GGG-Canelo and Ward-Kov 1 I just have no real interest in it...those were good fights, and robberies happen, so that part wasn't even the part that turned me off.

It was more just the whole thought of paying that much money for basically one fight, with the decision already decided beforehand...just felt ripped off.

So yeah I am not really shilling for DAZN...as much as I am shilling for them or someone like them to continue to have the business platform they have...every good fight that Fox has is on PPV...every good fight on ESPN is ESPN+(which I fortunately have) or worse, ESPN PPV.

At least I am getting these good fights with DAZN and getting my money's worth.

I can't speak to the purses they are paying fighters...they do seem high...maybe some of these companies can afford to pay fighters more though, and DAZN is skimming less off the top and giving more to the fighters.

[BigStomps]

Strangest thing is having convos with some of those who want it to fail...and for some reason they really try and say that they would rather pay for a high priced PPV over the spread that DAZN rolls out over the year.

You get a lot of solid fights with DAZN for $100 a year...and quite a few great fights and PPV quality fights..you will spend over $100 on two PPVs! And some of the PPVs are Spence Porter etc..which should not be! Just wild imo

Just proves the type of people they are.
They're either liars, idiots, or both!
I'm happy paying $100 a year for DAZN for all the boxing they offer and that's not even Including all the other content they offer like Bellator.
I'm no genius and I don't run no multimillion dollar business or nothing like that but I do know a great deal when I see one and $100 a year for a DAZN subscription is a damn great deal!
Who doesn't like a deal like that??
Only ****** dumb Al Haymon/PBC nuttriders claim they don't,...

[Boxing_1013]

I do know a great deal when I see one and $100 a year for a DAZN subscription is a damn great deal!
Who doesn't like a deal like that??

Agree 100% my friend

[jimisawesome]

I hear ya..though I don't really follow the last sentence you wrote.

But at present it is a great thing imo...I have 0 interest in paying $75 again for a PPV...after GGG-Canelo and Ward-Kov 1 I just have no real interest in it...those were good fights, and robberies happen, so that part wasn't even the part that turned me off.

I moved around some of your replay to better address them.

This is what I mean. It is great for you and me as individuals because we are saving money but bad for the sports long term health. 20 dollars for a Canelo fight is unstainable DAZN is going to have to either continue to raise their prices or move to some sort of PPV model. The problem is they have people like you that now expect PPV to cost 20 instead of 75.

This would not be an issue if DAZN could grow the sport and bring in millions of new fans willing to pay 20 dollars. But, the reality is there are only about 1.5 to 2 million people maximum that will pay for a fight. As much as we grumble about paying 75 bucks we paid it. What there never was are people that would have paid 20 dollars for a fight but not 75.

What I am really getting at is the DAZN business model replaced the Million people that would pay 75 for a Canelo fight or about 75 million dollars in the boxing economy with 600,000 people paying 20 dollars or about 12 million. That is over 60 million removed from the boxing economy.

When DAZN fails and it will that is money that will mostly not return. Which gets me back to my last sentence from the original post. Big fights will be harder to make when you have a B+ side to A side that will expect 5 million plus but the money is no longer there. It will be hard for a while to expect fighters to go back to being happy about taking a million or 2 million flat fee or accept they can't get a 4.5 million guarantee against a PPV that will get 500k buys.

They did overpay...as they said, it seemed to be a market-entry fee...and if they end up raising the price in the future, then the appeal it had for me will largely be gone.

I can't speak to the purses they are paying fighters...they do seem high...maybe some of these companies can afford to pay fighters more though, and DAZN is skimming less off the top and giving more to the fighters.

Overpay is not even the right word for what they are doing. They overpaid for Canelo because realistically in market without DAZN he would still likely get 20-25+ million per fight guarantee. So given they are a new platform and brand they had to go over the top but they did not go ****** here. The problem is everyone else and they are not overpaying a little they are overpaying 5 to 10 times what they would be paid in a world without DAZN.

To use that Dervy GGG fight again. That fight would have to be one of the 25 biggest fights ever held to come close to break even. DAZN is bleeding money showing boxing.

[elfag]

DAZN isnt a public company. You arent going to get any data unless they want to release it for some reason. They probably arent doing very good based on the high guarantees they made last year and the lack of big fights this year.

I was saying they were over paying fighters and would lose money, I was saying that last year but most people didnt believe me.

[Motorcity Cobra]

It seems like the same posters who keep wishing DAZN to fail are the ones who defended PBC to the death when others wished PBC would fail

Yea bro because boxing on broadcast tv was such a bad idea it should fail. But putting boxing on a niche app is how the sport grows in America. Right?

[daggum]

well that confirms it. dazn won the boxing war. pbc is dead. we can all move on

[Ray*]

Why do so many want to see DAZN fail...makes 0 sense

Strangest thing is having convos with some of those who want it to fail...and for some reason they really try and say that they would rather pay for a high priced PPV over the spread that DAZN rolls out over the year.

You get a lot of solid fights with DAZN for $100 a year...and quite a few great fights and PPV quality fights..you will spend over $100 on two PPVs! And some of the PPVs are Spence Porter etc..which should not be! Just wild imo

I never get that, the same people who want PBC to succeed and use to defend PBC and wonder why anyone would want them to fail (Like 3/4 years ago) are now wanting the downfall of DAZN. This is one thing I don’t get, I was one of those people who backed PBC when they first came into the boxing market, I use to criticise those that wanted them to fail.

Since then those same posters that were on the same page as me with the whole PBC thing are now the ones wanting the downfall of DAZN. Asking how many subs they have, coming here with paid shill adverts on how DAZN is going down etc

Makes you wonder why they are doing all of that.