Comments Thread For: Errol Spence: I Knew If I Couldn't Get Pacquiao, I'd Get Porter

[Oregonian]

[QUOTE=Verus;20069498]

Quality is more important. The best example is Sugar Ray Leonard who only had a total of 40 fights. Another is Rocky Marciano who had 49 fights.

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That was my point to truth serum - his post was suggesting that because Floyd had 50 fights he can’t be as good or better as the guys that had 60. Unless I misread his post.

[markther]

I just think a lot of people don’t give Floyd enough credit for going 49-0 (asterisk 50-0). All of the greats would be the 1st to admit it isn’t easy and anything can happen inside the ring to change the outcome of a fight, lose, get knocked out. And Floyd fought a number of big punchers and was hurt in a few fights. Floyd managed to get through some tough fights, make a lot of them look easy, and fought and beat quite few hall of famers (Gatti, Oscar, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Cotto, Alvarez, and Manny). He beat some other quality opponents too (Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Guerrero, Maidana).

I think what hurts Floyd’s legacy is that persona he created to make more money as a “villain,” the guy quite a few people wanted to see lose or get knocked out. The other thing that hurts is the circumstances surrounding his biggest fights. “arguably” an over matched Gatti, “arguably” Oscar towards the end of his career, ditto Cotto and Mosley, and Manny. “Arguably” an inexperienced Alvarez and a smaller Marquez. And I said arguably because some fans won’t give him any or enough credit for winning those fights.

[Truth Serum]

[QUOTE=Verus;20068981]

These are the times we live in. Because the money is so great for the top boxers, the boxers, their trainers and assorted advisors calculate risk vs reward. Gone are the days of Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pep and LaMotta who would fight as much as 20 times a year and take on all comers. Both Floyd and Manny calculated the risk vs reward equation very carefully. I get amused when folks go insane about Canelo "cherry-picking" and only fighting opponents who he thinks he can easily beat. All the top fighters do that. If they command big money they are not going to fight someone who can easily beat them and destroy their livelihood and that of others who depend on them. Roach took good care of Pacquiao in that regard.

Manny fought everyone in his prime! Who did roach protect him from?

[Oregonian]

[QUOTE=Truth Serum;20071898]

Manny fought everyone in his prime! Who did roach protect him from?

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We’ve covered this topic many times but here we go again. And I am just going to copy my previous post.

PAC’s greatness is normally measured from the time he moved to 147 and “destroyed” certain tailor-made and weakened boxers.

1). Oscar at a catch weight of 147. Oscar had lost to Floyd at 154 and hadn’t fought at 147 in years. Roach was very explicit about the catch weight and as a trainer he knows how that weakens anyone.

2). Cotto was weakened at 145. Roach was on record about that too

3). Margarito: was a catchweight of 150 and he was coming off a spectacular KO at the hands of Mosley. He was done at the time.

These three fights define PAC in the eyes of his fans yet they are all riddled with holes.

After that PAC’s resume is littered with just garbage

Brandon Rios: he was coming off a loss to Alvarado and moved up to 147 from 135. Garbage fight

Broner: was coming off three losses and one draw. Irrelevant fight.

Mathysse: Two years removed from his biggest fight which was a loss to Danny Garcia.

Horn: A virtual unknown guy except in Australia and PAC lost anyway.

Algieri: virtually unknown until he fought Provodnikov.

Mosley: had literally just lost Floyd when PAC fought him.

Clottey: had just lost to Cotto when he fought PAC.

Hatton: Had list to Floyd and it’s the only fight PAC had at 140

David Diaz: the only fight PAC had at 135 against this guy. You don’t even know who he is so that tells you

Marquez: PAC arguably lost all the 4 fights. The KO sealed everything

At the lower weight class, PAC got beat by other guys.

Lastly, PAC holds the record of rematches.

PAC could have fought legit belt holders at 140/147 and probably beaten most of them but one thing that’s pretty clear is PAC struggles against good boxers. It is why Marquez had his number. Floyd would have beaten PAC at any stage in their career.

So, as great as PAC is, his career is not as good as it could have been.

[Truth Serum]

[QUOTE=Oregonian;20072001]

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We’ve covered this topic many times but here we go again. And I am just going to copy my previous post.

PAC’s greatness is normally measured from the time he moved to 147 and “destroyed” certain tailor-made and weakened boxers.

1). Oscar at a catch weight of 147. Oscar had lost to Floyd at 154 and hadn’t fought at 147 in years. Roach was very explicit about the catch weight and as a trainer he knows how that weakens anyone.

2). Cotto was weakened at 145. Roach was on record about that too

3). Margarito: was a catchweight of 150 and he was coming off a spectacular KO at the hands of Mosley. He was done at the time.

These three fights define PAC in the eyes of his fans yet they are all riddled with holes.

After that PAC’s resume is littered with just garbage

Brandon Rios: he was coming off a loss to Alvarado and moved up to 147 from 135. Garbage fight

Broner: was coming off three losses and one draw. Irrelevant fight.

Mathysse: Two years removed from his biggest fight which was a loss to Danny Garcia.

Horn: A virtual unknown guy except in Australia and PAC lost anyway.

Algieri: virtually unknown until he fought Provodnikov.

Mosley: had literally just lost Floyd when PAC fought him.

Clottey: had just lost to Cotto when he fought PAC.

Hatton: Had list to Floyd and it’s the only fight PAC had at 140

David Diaz: the only fight PAC had at 135 against this guy. You don’t even know who he is so that tells you

Marquez: PAC arguably lost all the 4 fights. The KO sealed everything

At the lower weight class, PAC got beat by other guys.

Lastly, PAC holds the record of rematches.

PAC could have fought legit belt holders at 140/147 and probably beaten most of them but one thing that’s pretty clear is PAC struggles against good boxers. It is why Marquez had his number. Floyd would have beaten PAC at any stage in their career.

So, as great as PAC is, his career is not as good as it could have been.

So basically, Roach helped him duck every other fighter that you didn't mention? Pac is the greatest ever 5'5 fighter with a 67" reach... P4P all time!

[FredRekk]

Please tell us who is on YOUR glorious resume

Your f’n mama, for one.
She got a thang for us big d!ck balla ni66az.

[Oregonian]

[QUOTE=Truth Serum;20072959]

So basically, Roach helped him duck every other fighter that you didn't mention? Pac is the greatest ever 5'5 fighter with a 67" reach... P4P all time!

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Your response is very typical. You just respond without even taking in what I wrote.

The fighters I did not mention for obvious reasons are
Floyd- PAC lost
Bradley - PAC lost one and it’s not like Bradley was that good a fighter. He beat Devon at 140 and didn’t hang around too much. Moved to 147 and cashed out in the trilogy

Thurman - good opponent and great fight. I dont knock PAC for that.

Can you name other guys that you believe were legit opponents that PAC beat?
Please humor and list them or even counter the names I listed above

[Oregonian]

[QUOTE=Pennstate110;20072938]

You sl@ve m0nkeys love to kiss Floyd's a$$ ..dumb nikkers

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Not once in my post did I mention Floyd.
Your racist response just tells us that you are a KKK thug behind a keyboard.

Instead of countering anything I wrote you just spew toxic waste.
Go crawl into your mom’s bed fool

[FredRekk]

[QUOTE=Oregonian;20072001]

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We’ve covered this topic many times but here we go again. And I am just going to copy my previous post.

PAC’s greatness is normally measured from the time he moved to 147 and “destroyed” certain tailor-made and weakened boxers.

1). Oscar at a catch weight of 147. Oscar had lost to Floyd at 154 and hadn’t fought at 147 in years. Roach was very explicit about the catch weight and as a trainer he knows how that weakens anyone.

2). Cotto was weakened at 145. Roach was on record about that too

3). Margarito: was a catchweight of 150 and he was coming off a spectacular KO at the hands of Mosley. He was done at the time.

These three fights define PAC in the eyes of his fans yet they are all riddled with holes.

After that PAC’s resume is littered with just garbage

Brandon Rios: he was coming off a loss to Alvarado and moved up to 147 from 135. Garbage fight

Broner: was coming off three losses and one draw. Irrelevant fight.

Mathysse: Two years removed from his biggest fight which was a loss to Danny Garcia.

Horn: A virtual unknown guy except in Australia and PAC lost anyway.

Algieri: virtually unknown until he fought Provodnikov.

Mosley: had literally just lost Floyd when PAC fought him.

Clottey: had just lost to Cotto when he fought PAC.

Hatton: Had list to Floyd and it’s the only fight PAC had at 140

David Diaz: the only fight PAC had at 135 against this guy. You don’t even know who he is so that tells you

Marquez: PAC arguably lost all the 4 fights. The KO sealed everything

At the lower weight class, PAC got beat by other guys.

Lastly, PAC holds the record of rematches.

PAC could have fought legit belt holders at 140/147 and probably beaten most of them but one thing that’s pretty clear is PAC struggles against good boxers. It is why Marquez had his number. Floyd would have beaten PAC at any stage in their career.

So, as great as PAC is, his career is not as good as it could have been.

NONSTOP EXCUSES.
Your parents must be embarrassed by you.

[Oregonian]

[QUOTE=FredRekk;20073199]

NONSTOP EXCUSES.
Your parents must be embarrassed by you.

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Maybe. But I am not a ******* like you hiding behind the keyboard in your mom’s basement.