Comments Thread For: Errol Spence: I Knew If I Couldn't Get Pacquiao, I'd Get Porter

[Verus]

[QUOTE=Pennstate110;20068379]

I agree on your point of Floyd being the most accomplished fighter in that order however I think you can say the same thing about Pacquiao in just a different order: Boxing, strategy, marketing.

The fact that pacquiao doesn't market himself, talk up himself and claims TBE yet is still compared to Floyd in boxing terms is why Pacquiao is more accomplished in boxing than Floyd which at the end of the day isn't that what this is all about? The sport and not the business of it from a fan perspective? That's why Manny will always be greater.

Manny Pacquiao is a physical freak of nature and the most accomplished fighter of the last 20 years. I would put it this way: Manny is a better fighter and Floyd is a better boxer. It is hard to define greatest. Most agree that Ali is the "greatest of all time" and the Sugar Ray Robinson was the best boxer ever. I don't put either Floyd or Manny as the best of all time in either category. I think that overall Manny has accomplished more in the ring over the course of his long career than Floyd. But if they fought each other 3 times in their prime, I think that Floyd would win 2 out of three. This is just one man's opinion.

[Truth Serum]

[QUOTE=Verus;20068459]

Manny Pacquiao is a physical freak of nature and the most accomplished fighter of the last 20 years. I would put it this way: Manny is a better fighter and Floyd is a better boxer. It is hard to define greatest. Most agree that Ali is the "greatest of all time" and the Sugar Ray Robinson was the best boxer ever. I don't put either Floyd or Manny as the best of all time in either category. I think that overall Manny has accomplished more in the ring over the course of his long career than Floyd. But if they fought each other 3 times in their prime, I think that Floyd would win 2 out of three. This is just one man's opinion.

If Floyd had the same height and reach as Manny, would he still be TBE.... or would he just be Yukoris Gamboa?

[Terrell1555]

Crazy thing by out boxing Mickey Spence definitely made team Pac say heck no! Nope he can actually Box and we don’t do so well against good Boxers!

[Verus]

[QUOTE=Truth Serum;20068682]

If Floyd had the same height and reach as Manny, would he still be TBE.... or would he just be Yukoris Gamboa?

Don't think Floyd is TBE. He is the best of his generation and that is plenty good.

[Oregonian]

[QUOTE=Pennstate110;20068379]

I agree on your point of Floyd being the most accomplished fighter in that order however I think you can say the same thing about Pacquiao in just a different order: Boxing, strategy, marketing.

The fact that pacquiao doesn't market himself, talk up himself and claims TBE yet is still compared to Floyd in boxing terms is why Pacquiao is more accomplished in boxing than Floyd which at the end of the day isn't that what this is all about? The sport and not the business of it from a fan perspective? That's why Manny will always be greater.

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I love engaging people in boxing and hearing different opinions but it’s different online - everyone is an expert and hold their opinion to be the gospel truth. I hope you will be different.

PAC’s greatness is normally measured from the time he moved to 147 and “destroyed” certain tailor-made and weakened boxers.

1). Oscar at a catch weight of 147. Oscar had lost to Floyd at 154 and hadn’t fought at 147 in years. Roach was very explicit about the catch weight and as a trainer he knows how that weakens anyone.

2). Cotto was weakened at 145. Roach was on revirdvtoo about that

3). Margarito: was a catchweight of 150 and he was coming off a spectacular KO at the hands of Mosley. He was done at the time.

These three fights define PAC in the eyes of his fans yet they are all riddled with holes.

After that PAC’s resume is littered with just garbage

Brandon Rios: he was coming off a loss to Alvarado and moved up to 147 from 135. Garbage fight

Broner: was coming off three losses and one draw. Irrelevant fight.

Mathysse: Two years temived from his biggest fight which was a loss to Danny Garcia.

Horn: A virtual unknown guy except in Australia and PAC lost anyway.

Algieri: virtually unknown until he fought Provodnikov.

Mosley: had literally just lost Floyd when PAC fought him.

Clottey: had just lost to Cotto when he fought PAC.

Hatton: Had list to Floyd and it’s the only fight PAC had at 140

David Diaz: the only fight PAC had at 135 against this guy. You don’t even know who he is so that tells you

Marquez: PAC arguably lost all the 4 fights. The KO sealed everything

At the lower weight class, PAC got beat by other guys.

Lastly, PAC holds the record of rematches.

PAC could have fought legit belt holders at 140/147 and probably beaten most of them but one thing that’s pretty clear is PAC struggles against good boxers. It is why Marquez had his number. Floyd would have beaten PAC at any stage in their career.

So, as great as PAC is, his career is not as good as it could have been.

[P4Pdunny]

Crawford really on ice in this division

[Verus]

[QUOTE=Oregonian;20068855]

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I love engaging people in boxing and hearing different opinions but it’s different online - everyone is an expert and hold their opinion to be the gospel truth. I hope you will be different.

PAC’s greatness is normally measured from the time he moved to 147 and “destroyed” certain tailor-made and weakened boxers.

1). Oscar at a catch weight of 147. Oscar had lost to Floyd at 154 and hadn’t fought at 147 in years. Roach was very explicit about the catch weight and as a trainer he knows how that weakens anyone.

2). Cotto was weakened at 145. Roach was on revirdvtoo about that

3). Margarito: was a catchweight of 150 and he was coming off a spectacular KO at the hands of Mosley. He was done at the time.

These three fights define PAC in the eyes of his fans yet they are all riddled with holes.

After that PAC’s resume is littered with just garbage

Brandon Rios: he was coming off a loss to Alvarado and moved up to 147 from 135. Garbage fight

Broner: was coming off three losses and one draw. Irrelevant fight.

Mathysse: Two years temived from his biggest fight which was a loss to Danny Garcia.

Horn: A virtual unknown guy except in Australia and PAC lost anyway.

Algieri: virtually unknown until he fought Provodnikov.

Mosley: had literally just lost Floyd when PAC fought him.

Clottey: had just lost to Cotto when he fought PAC.

Hatton: Had list to Floyd and it’s the only fight PAC had at 140

David Diaz: the only fight PAC had at 135 against this guy. You don’t even know who he is so that tells you

Marquez: PAC arguably lost all the 4 fights. The KO sealed everything

At the lower weight class, PAC got beat by other guys.

Lastly, PAC holds the record of rematches.

PAC could have fought legit belt holders at 140/147 and probably beaten most of them but one thing that’s pretty clear is PAC struggles against good boxers. It is why Marquez had his number. Floyd would have beaten PAC at any stage in their career.

So, as great as PAC is, his career is not as good as it could have been.

These are the times we live in. Because the money is so great for the top boxers, the boxers, their trainers and assorted advisors calculate risk vs reward. Gone are the days of Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pep and LaMotta who would fight as much as 20 times a year and take on all comers. Both Floyd and Manny calculated the risk vs reward equation very carefully. I get amused when folks go insane about Canelo "cherry-picking" and only fighting opponents who he thinks he can easily beat. All the top fighters do that. If they command big money they are not going to fight someone who can easily beat them and destroy their livelihood and that of others who depend on them. Roach took good care of Pacquiao in that regard.

[Truth Serum]

[QUOTE=Verus;20068796]

Don't think Floyd is TBE. He is the best of his generation and that is plenty good.

He's the best of his generation that fought 50 fights. Not the best that fought 60 or 70+ fights.

[Oregonian]

[QUOTE=Truth Serum;20069252]

He's the best of his generation that fought 50 fights. Not the best that fought 60 or 70+ fights.

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Julio Chavez Jr could have gone to 60 fights fighting cans.
PAC has more than 60 fights and has almost 8 losses.
Wilder could potentially hit 60 fights.

Would you measure their greatness in quantity of fights or quality?

[Verus]

[QUOTE=Oregonian;20069470]

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Julio Chavez Jr could have gone to 60 fights fighting cans.
PAC has more than 60 fights and has almost 8 losses.
Wilder could potentially hit 60 fights.

Would you measure their greatness in quantity of fights or quality?

Quality is more important. The best example is Sugar Ray Leonard who only had a total of 40 fights. Another is Rocky Marciano who had 49 fights.