Lomachenko's Opponents Combined Record is 431-39

[Nay_Sayer]

you really think he ducked pac?

Yes, I do.

first of all they arent in the same division.

This is not a valid excuse. Lots of ATGs made concessions on weight in their pursuit of greatness.

Robinson Maxim
Leonard Hagler
Jones Ruiz
Hopkins Tarver
Mayweather de la Hoya

Beating Pacquiao would have ended the debate about his "status" as P4P #1. However, instead of chasing greatness - he's relegated himself to knocking over the Linares' and Campbells of the world.

Disappointing at best.

you just got done saying how rigo and loma werent in teh same dvision yet loma is a ducking a guy in a division hes never fought in?

Yeah. Fight was there for him to take. Lomafako said "no thanks, I prefer to knock over the Linares' and Campbells of the world."

also that fight was offered after pac had lost to jeff horn. that would have looked really bad win or lose. oh he beat the guy who just lost to jeff horn big whoop. oh he lost to the guy that lost to jeff horn thats embarassing.

So beating the likes of Linares and Campbell somehow looks better?

[The Big Dunn]

You obviously didn't read it all that closely, or my other posts on other threads where I said Loma is not yet an ATG. In typical fashion you want to make this about race, you are pathetic. I pull up endless posts and threads of posters who declared Rigo an ATG after he beat Donaire. Once he lost to Loma they scattered like roaches.

Which posters proclaimed him an ATG?

It has to be about race. As I and others have pointed out Inoue is younger and has won titles in multiple divisions yet many of you never mention him at all.

It simply can’t be about resume. The guys he beat, other than Rigo, aren’t hof’ers. He’s passed over Berchelt and others.

None of you make your argument for Loma using his resume. All you do is claim anyone that doesn’t rate him high is doing so because of race.

[The Big Dunn]

Don't see you going after guys who hate Loma becuase he's white.

What do you expect OP to say exactly?

This guys just defending Loma skill be 'downgraded' by racists he's not policing racism as a whole.

It's pretty hard to deny Lomas skill and acheivements and you can easy argue Loma as an ATG maybe not the top but there's still not many fighters in history that had footwork so good they can get around the back of world champions before they know whats happening. Already a top ten ATG Am boxer though and that's definitely factor that is considered for his overall greatness as a boxer.

Who specifically hates Loma because he is white? Name them and show why you honestly think so.

All I see is anyone that doesn’t rank him top p4p being labeled as a hater of white fighters or having a racial bias.

His skill isn’t questioned. It’s just not plausible that a fighter with 14 wins and 1 foty award is a top 10 ATG.

[Boxing Goat]

431-39 in 15 fights. Insane. I'd be willing to bet that's probably never happened before.

Haney's for example is 276-155 in 23 fights.
Davis, 324-121 in 22 fights.

Doubt they're even considering a fight before before Commey-Lopez winner but here's to hoping I guess.

Saensak Muangsurin won a world title in his 3rd pro fight as well. In his first 15 fights he had an opponent combined record of 443-85. Flat out wild.

Yeah, that's amazing and people seem to overlook things like that. It means a great deal in my opinion.

I think the only one even close to that would be Usyk (393-67)

[GhostofDempsey]

Which posters proclaimed him an ATG?

It has to be about race. As I and others have pointed out Inoue is younger and has won titles in multiple divisions yet many of you never mention him at all.

It simply can’t be about resume. The guys he beat, other than Rigo, aren’t hof’ers. He’s passed over Berchelt and others.

None of you make your argument for Loma using his resume. All you do is claim anyone that doesn’t rate him high is doing so because of race.

It has to be about race? I've posted on here how I feel Crawford is P4P #1 and how he and Loma could also be tied for first on the P4P list...does Crawford "look like me"?

Many of us have given Inoue his due, but there isn't as much talent to go around in those smaller classes and he hasn't made as big of a name for himself yet. Loma did not avoid Berchelt, so I'm not sure why you're saying he past him over. He even talked about going back down to 130 to fight Berchelt if he can't get the big fights he wants at 135. How come Tank didn't fight Berchelt? Why doesn't Tank mention Haney, Loma, Lopez?

[The Big Dunn]

im not even talking about world titles. they are a dime a dozen nowadays, i'm talking about the level of competition he's faced in his first 10+ plus pro fights. Call it what you want, but amature fights are amature fights. They dont necessarily prepare you or even translate to success in the pros.

and as far as being a "coward" for not bringing up race in a internet forum post is laughable. you think you are some kind of internet war hero for arguing about race or whatever on here. I dont know why people bash the guy, I'd like to believe in humanity and not believe its because a guy is black/white or whatever. you are so obsessed and fixated on race you reflexively accuse others of motives right away without even knowing them. whatever, keep doing ur thing brother

If you weren’t referring to non white posters, then who were you referring to regarding bias against Loma?

What bias are you talking about?

[The Big Dunn]

It has to be about race? I've posted on here how I feel Crawford is P4P #1 and how he and Loma could also be tied for first on the P4P list...does Crawford "look like me"?

Many of us have given Inoue his due, but there isn't as much talent to go around in those smaller classes and he hasn't made as big of a name for himself yet. Loma did not avoid Berchelt, so I'm not sure why you're saying he past him over. He even talked about going back down to 130 to fight Berchelt if he can't get the big fights he wants at 135. How come Tank didn't fight Berchelt? Why doesn't Tank mention Haney, Loma, Lopez?

if it’s not race then what is it? There is no other fighter with 13 wins and 1 foty award being touted by some as an ATG. Many posters that are suggesting he is, like the TS, have been banned for racism. This isn’t something you or others can’t see or haven’t recognized.

I have also given Inoue credit. When Inoue was given a vote for #1 by Steve Kim so many of the same posters claimed it was due to Inoue and kim being Asian. I know you saw that thread.

Is that a coincidence or are you going to at least admit you can clearly see a problem?

Why are you bringing up Tank? This thread is about Loma being an ATG. Tank is not relevant to that discussion.

[GhostofDempsey]

if it’s not race then what is it? There is no other fighter with 13 wins and 1 foty award being touted by some as an ATG. Many posters that are suggesting he is, like the TS, have been banned for racism. This isn’t something you or others can’t see or haven’t recognized.

I have also given Inoue credit. When Inoue was given a vote for #1 by Steve Kim so many of the same posters claimed it was due to Inoue and kim being Asian. I know you saw that thread.

Is that a coincidence or are you going to at least admit you can clearly see a problem?

Why are you bringing up Tank? This thread is about Loma being an ATG. Tank is not relevant to that discussion.

I already showed you one thread where posters were calling Rigo an ATG, and there are dozens more I can dredge up. All that talk came to a halt in December of 2017. No one since has been talking that nonsense.

Tank is relevant because he is routinely defended by the likes of you and other posters here. He gets a pass for avoiding fighters who you accuse Loma of avoiding (Berchelt). That's why he comes into the discussion, there is obvious cross-pollination between them given they are in the same weight classes.

[QueensburyRules]

True, Loma isn't responsible for a lack of available talent. However, it's not unfair to judge him according to the quality of his opposition. In this case, he beat a guy @ 130 who had never fought in the division or even at the division below. Mayweather gets TONS of scorn for having fought Marquez @ 147.

- -Sorta like U being dum!

U boytoy TUE 51-0 fought PreBALCO Juan at a 144 maximum catchwt of 144 lbs that TUE was 2 lbs over in spite of delaying the fight cause his tummy hurt.

U weren't even in U BigBoy trainers yet, so U can be excused after time out in the dunce corner!

[BoxingIsGreat]

Who specifically hates Loma because he is white? Name them and show why you honestly think so.

All I see is anyone that doesn’t rank him top p4p being labeled as a hater of white fighters or having a racial bias.

His skill isn’t questioned. It’s just not plausible that a fighter with 14 wins and 1 foty award is a top 10 ATG.

The bold: Me too.

Loma is a very good boxer, not great yet, professionally, IMO.
The overhyping and overrating have to stop. He has a couple more years to seal his resume.