Have we overrated Fury or are we just expecting to much and being nitpicky?

[champion4ever]

Aside from the two cuts, Fury did appear to be a bit sluggish and lethargic than usual; Especially when compared to his last two previous fights with Schwarz and Wilder. Perhaps, it was due from overtraining or cutting too much weight. I tend to believe that it was the latter.

[DuckAdonis]

I think this fight tells us that this Fury is not remotely as good as he was Vs Klitschko, Chisora 2, Hammer at the time..

[Guest]

But people talk about boxing always in terms of skills. Don't forget there's a psychology behind it. Of course Tyson's going to be less switched on against someone who shouldn't have even been in the ring with him than he would be against Wilder.

Interesting point, I see no one else had made it either.

Amazing, really.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Two things happened:


1) the Swede didn't lay down and take it. Not only did he come to fight he came to make Tyson fight HIS fight. Tyson is still uncomfortable going on the offense, and didn't know what to make of a Southpaw.

2) The cut made this a tight-rope walk instead of a cake walk. I don't doubt that we'll go back and ask what all the fuss was about. But while it was playing out, Fury's fate was uncertain. He domianted the Swede, but he had scares - even in the final round.

Sure, Fury should have done much better. It definitely wasn't his best night. But we can also argue that Wallin fought better than Wilder, or anyone else.

seriously, Hearns had two tries at Ray Leonard, and even with the extra size and the Knockdowns came up short. Duran never came close to KO'ing Leonard, but he absolutely DOMINATED a bigger man. It was a masterpiece.

Wallin doesn't have Wilder's power, but he seems to have more balls and brains - probably more skill, too. Don't be surprised if he, not Wilder, becomes Fury's #2.

The battle is over.

Now it's time for the war.

The Bronze Bomber will be victorious.

How so?

Don't get me wrong. He's super dangerous. He could kill anyone with that punch. But they likelihood of that happening against Fury seems pretty low.

He failed miserbaly last time.

And he's clearly not as good as Wallin. He's not going to be able to do the things Wallin did to make it "competitive".

[Rusty Tromboni]

I think this fight tells us that this Fury is not remotely as good as he was Vs Klitschko, Chisora 2, Hammer at the time..

Maybe less motivated, sure.

But in what way did they fight like Wallin?

At what point were they lucky enough to have Fury cut?


I don't wanna play down Wallin's performance (or Tyson's, he really only lost the 3rd and 12th). But I think it's important to consider all factors.
It's like Holmes vs. Spinks I. Larry was on the slide, sure. But who won the rematch?

Speaking of rematches: how do you think Wallin would fare? I suspect, even with the boost in confidence and experience, not as well.

[ramses07]

Overreaction

[DuckAdonis]

Aside from the two cuts, Fury did appear to be a bit sluggish and lethargic than usual; Especially when compared to his last two previous fights with Schwarz and Wilder. Perhaps, it was due from overtraining or cutting too much weight. I tend to believe that it was the latter.

Maybe Wallins body attack?

[MASTERBX]

The Uk always overrate their bums.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Casuals acting like the underdog was never a threat. We got Ruiz, Johansson, Douglas, McCall, Rahman, Schmelling, Brewster, Braddock, Willard, Sanders, Horn etc etc etc.

These guys get their shot and they grab it with both hands. Wallin has been around a while now and did what he needed to do. Fury also did what he needed to do and didn't lose. Same as Wilder. Wilder is called a bum every day and he's been behind in fights but still hasn't succumbed to a loss to the underdog yet by getting it done.

Chill the **** out and lets keep it real.

You know what's funny? To your point about these underdogs. And I still have my thread honoring them.

All I keep hearing people say is "Wallin made Fury look basic" when in reality Wallin came to try and get it done - just like Schwarz tried. It's just that Wallin proved a tougher test than they thought he would. Fury's still that dude - evident by the win. He just slept the first half of the fight.

Yet, when Jeff Horn does the SAME DAMN THING to Manny Pacquiao, you hear excuses when Manny DOESN'T do what he needed to do to win.

In both fights you've got the A-side cruising through the fight and not initially taking it serious, not doing enough to blow their opponent out like they were expected to, but Fury switched it on and got a clear win. Manny did not.

Fury deserves basic credit for getting the W in the face of a hungry opponent. Period. He needs to learn from that experience.

[champion4ever]

Maybe Wallins body attack?

Yes, perhaps it could have had a little something to do with that.