Comments Thread For: Arum: Wilder-Ortiz Dangerous, But Haymon Had To Do It

[Scipio2009]

No one is even talking about the difference between Ortiz purse for the first Wilder fight and the offer for the short notice fight against Joshua. Different situations that should not be compared. It is certainly fair game to speculate as to why Ortiz turn down the short notice offer given his past purses.

Seems to me the real discussion is whether or not arum is speaking truth.

Fair value is fair value; if Luis Ortiz was going to come into the fight late, immediately make it a showdown that ESPN, FS1, NBC Sports and every sports related property would now have to cover, versus an event that you couldn't even get folks to say DAZN's name properly for, there is value that has just been realized, due almost exclusively to Ortiz making it a real fight, that Ortiz should get his piece of.

If Jarell Miller got almost $7m for the fight, Luis Ortiz should've gotten well over that to take his place: nowhere near 50/50, but a good piece.

No idea what money was being with, but why couldn't Ortiz get 20 on the dollar?; Matchroom Sport stages the event, the recoup their costs and take their 20%, and then the remaining 80% of the take gets split 80 to Joshua, 20 to Ortiz.

You don't want Ortiz's camp in your books, so you pay Ortiz his 20% on the 80% of the proceeds in a lump sum.

[Scipio2009]

Ortiz was offered more because that's the fight everyone wanted after 2 other guys failed to make the fight.Ruiz begged for the fight and bothered Hearn about it ,only when Kownacki declined did Ruiz get considered ,so you have zero logic again in another thread .

Ortiz highest pay was 500K but 7 million was low balling him?

Funny Ortiz was not informed of that 7 million and raged about it but his team did the right thing? What a F'ing dummy you really are .The fighter is SUPPOSED to be in charge of who he fights at least aware of offers presented,. lol

How much was Jarell "Big Baby" Miller offered for the fight?

That's publicly available information that shouldn't be hard to find.

[Straightener]

No one is even talking about the difference between Ortiz purse for the first Wilder fight and the offer for the short notice fight against Joshua. Different situations that should not be compared. It is certainly fair game to speculate as to why Ortiz turn down the short notice offer given his past purses.

Seems to me the real discussion is whether or not arum is speaking truth.

I’m not hating on the fight

The first fight was decent . Just replying to that guys statement

Will watch the rematch 100%

[JakeTheBoxer]

Pulev gets Joshua - Ruiz winner and Fury gets Wilder. It is all in Arum`s hands.

[Ake-Dawg]

Fair value is fair value; if Luis Ortiz was going to come into the fight late, immediately make it a showdown that ESPN, FS1, NBC Sports and every sports related property would now have to cover, versus an event that you couldn't even get folks to say DAZN's name properly for, there is value that has just been realized, due almost exclusively to Ortiz making it a real fight, that Ortiz should get his piece of.

If Jarell Miller got almost $7m for the fight, Luis Ortiz should've gotten well over that to take his place: nowhere near 50/50, but a good piece.

No idea what money was being with, but why couldn't Ortiz get 20 on the dollar?; Matchroom Sport stages the event, the recoup their costs and take their 20%, and then the remaining 80% of the take gets split 80 to Joshua, 20 to Ortiz.

You don't want Ortiz's camp in your books, so you pay Ortiz his 20% on the 80% of the proceeds in a lump sum.

I agree with what you said. I was just commenting on how the narrative seemingly changes for the UK fanboys. Somehow whether or not Arum was telling the truth about Haymon and why Ortiz turned down the Joshua fight seemed to take a back seat to some Wilder was trying to duck Ortiz rematch narrative that makes zero sense.

[Oldskoolg]

Hearn Bot shut the EF up. You were convinced the number 4-5 heavy weight was easy work.

Why... because Eddie paid you to disregard commen MFin sense.

Well said cuz well said

[ptek]

Interesting read. So what i got from that is that Luis Ortiz is an old man and Al Haymon talked Luis Ortiz out of facing Joshua for more belts and more money by promising him a rematch against Wilder for less belts and less money.

That makes no sense,your an idiot.
It's must be less belts more money.

[ptek]

This first fight was classic.. It happened on my birthday.. According to dillian "b-sample" whyte.. Ortiz was 40,000 years old a year and a half ago.. Yet this fool fought chisora twice, browne, Parker, and helinus.. Rather than the 40,000 year old smoke. Atleast AJ offered the man the fight! If I was Ortiz I would have taken the AJ fight.. Because if he beats AJ.. It automatically means a rematch with Wilder! If he loses to AJ.. Its more money than losing to Wilder.. When u lose to Wilder.. U spend most of your money on medical bills! Lol.

He will be spending all his money on his daughters medical bills as I understand she has something rare/or she's disabled. So I think the end of your comment was well low below the belt.

[garfios]

I'm thinking Ortiz management went behind his back and made a deal with Haymon to mislead him and not tell him about the money that Hearn offered. Seems to.me from what Arum states is Haymon promised Ortiz a fight with Wilder if he didn't take the Joshua fight but the problem here is Ortiz was not notified by his manager J.Jimminez who was dealing with the situation.

Ortiz really not the brightest guy.

If they didn't tell him about the money, it doesn't mean that he is an idiot. He just didn't know what was going on. He probably is more pi$$ off than anyone else.

[Scipio2009]

I agree with what you said. I was just commenting on how the narrative seemingly changes for the UK fanboys. Somehow whether or not Arum was telling the truth about Haymon and why Ortiz turned down the Joshua fight seemed to take a back seat to some Wilder was trying to duck Ortiz rematch narrative that makes zero sense.

Ignore the UK fanboys...

Sky Sports put up the money, the UK developed a nice slew of fighters, the world championships count got up pretty high, the fanboys were talking all that ****, and now everything is falling in on them.

The run is over, Joshua HEAVYWEIGHT, Callum at 168lbs, Saunders at 160/168, maybe Warrington at 126, maybe Yafai at 118, and maybe Kell Brook are basically the only true world-level champions, and the next crop after isn't looking so great so far.

The UK fanboys had a taste of being on top, and that's made them delusional.