Why is Shawn Porter a welterweight champion?

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  • BoloShot
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    #31
    Originally posted by hmc87
    You are a real bad fan lol

    Zab Judah has been irrelevant since 2010 let alone in 2013 or 2014.
    Victor Ortiz has never been the same since Marcos Maidana almost 20 years ago. Yet here you are anointing Porter's wins over these guys (directly or indirectly) as "quality". Let's examine. . .

    And I'll make it simple for you since you are...simple...

    Alexander, Ortiz, Judah, Berto, and Paulie (the fighters you're defending currently) all fought during Golden WW era of Floyd, Manny, Shane, Cotto, and Bradley.

    Floyd and Manny sit at the top as they defeated every other WW and combined have 2 wins over Cotto, 3 wins over Bradley, and 2 wins over Mosley. Moments of Floyd-Cotto, Floyd-Mosley, and Manny-Bradley 2 were competitive otherwise the fights were one sided.

    So we've established a tier system here:

    Top (A/A-/B+): Manny, Floyd

    Middle (B+/B/B-): Cotto, Mosley, and Bradley

    Contender (B-, C+, C, C-): Judah, Berto, Ortiz, Paulie, Alexander

    Of the list you provided...Judah, Paulie, Berto, Ortiz, and Alexander...versus Top AND Middle guys...they were a combined 0-6 with 3 TKO defeats and 1 TD defeat (Floyd over Judah, Ortiz, Berto w/ 1 TKO) and (Cotto over Paulie and Judah by TKO) and (Bradley wide TD over Alexander who literally screamed and quit). Alexander and Paulie suffered their 1ST loss, Judah his 2nd and 3rd, and Berto and Ortiz were never good.

    The Alexander that fought Bradley (way back in 2011) was undefeated. This fight was essentially for lineal JWW crown. This was the best version of Devon Alexander.

    The Judah (2007) and Paulie (2006) that fought Cotto were much better versions than those that fought each other and Shawn Porter in 2013 and 2014.

    Against Cotto Paulie was undefeated and suffered his 1st defeat, a stoppage. This undefeated version of Paulie (2006) was far better than the 2014 version Shawn fought. Paulie had 5 defeats by that point and was coming off a win over 8 defeat Judah...stunning!

    Against Cotto Judah (2007) was trying to rebound from Floyd defeat and stay relevant in the WW class. Cotto won via by stoppage. This was NOT the best version of Judah but certainly a much better version than his 2013 fight against Paulie...which you suggest made Paulie a legitimate opponent.

    I don't even have to get in to Berto or Ortiz. Neither of them ever won an important fight in their entire career.




    The takeaway is this - in their primes none of Judah, Paulie, Alexander, Berto, or Ortiz could beat a Top or Middle guy. None of them. Ever. So they were NEVER "good wins".

    The 2013 and 2014 versions that competed or directly fought Porter are nearly a decade past those primes...and their PRIMES were never more than prospect and later contender status. So how does that make them "good wins" in 2013-2014?

    Hint: it doesn't.

    Ether.
    I didn't say great wins, I said good wins. Also those guys aren't bums. Get tf outta here. You underrated fighters as a rule clearly, how about appreciating their positives instead of bashing them for not being perfect, which is every fighter ever? These guys primes came after the golden era of the WWs. Also those guys all have good wins against the tiers they're in or about. How the hell does that make them trash fighters? Just because they're not on Floyd or Pacquiao's level which is a nonsense standard to hold? Get a grip you utter loon.

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