Comments Thread For: Hearn Believes Dillian Whyte Will Have Hearing in Early October

[Hnnnggg]

He failed a drug test. Only a complete ****** looks at that and goes “we don’t know the truth!”

Honestly wish these drug testing agencies would be more transparent about their testing methods. Like the instrumentation used, protocol to verify positive samples, and number of replicates tested.

Understandably it won’t mean much for those with no laboratory experience but for those who do, it can be elucidating. For example, DOA metabolites are tested via rudimentary bioanalyzers for most commercial applications. They are semi quantitative test, meaning after measuring absorbance there’s a normalize signal that’s quantified as a function of concentration, but not in the same way a real time PCR would give a reading. The quantity is then referenced against a cut off value that determines whether it’s positive/negative hence the qualitative aspect.

The reason I bring this up is that I’ve got a garbage bioanalyzer in the lab that I manage. It’s competent enough to run and pass the QC but there’s a moderate amount variability in precision and accuracy. There’s been times that samples have come up positive that shouldn’t have based off of patient history, but upon repeat and confirmation from more sensitive assays (mass spec) they returned negative.

Urine samples should be tested in replicate on both an Elisa and mass spec assay. As someone who’s worked in both clinical and industry laboratory science, having these protocols to maintain test integrity are universally embraced, but there’s always failings in many places I’ve worked in. Let alone in a landscape where corruption is rampant (ie boxing).

[PotentialToast]

I agree, every country should actually be testing their boxers/athletes randomly. But the regulations need to be tweaked a bit.

Definately. WADA's 'in competition' needs to include cutting during camp.

[PotentialToast]

He failed a drug test. Only a complete ****** looks at that and goes “we don’t know the truth!”

He didn't fail a drug test. There was an adverse analytical finding. A finding of doing depends on the circumstances. E.g. TUE use, contamination of approved supplement or possibly in this case because of the extra VADA testing because it could not have been the****utic doping which without the extra testing you could never establish. My prediction is that the extra VADA testing enabled Whyte to prove that he could not have been doping.

[_Rexy_]

He didn't fail a drug test. There was an adverse analytical finding. A finding of doing depends on the circumstances. E.g. TUE use, contamination of approved supplement or possibly in this case because of the extra VADA testing because it could not have been the****utic doping which without the extra testing you could never establish. My prediction is that the extra VADA testing enabled Whyte to prove that he could not have been doping.

TUE for DBOL? Now I’ve heard everything.

[andocom]

Yeah let’s deal with the facts.

Dillian Whyte failed a drug test. FACT.

Nothing else is a a fact. Nothing presented at this hearing is a fact. We have the facts, they weren’t acted on for some reason.

Jesus are you serious? We don't even know that if Whyte failed a test, we heard unconfirmed reports he failed a test, UKAD/NADP have the evidence, we don't. Seriously, could you be more wrong if you tried?

Am I saying Whyte did or didn't dope, no. But UKAD/NADP heard the actual evidence, we didn't and are following the process they have to.

[andocom]

That seems to be non existent now. That would obviously not be talked about at the hearing, because they know sample A and B are both dirty. Totally disappointed in the way this has been handled. This is why I actually want a single boxing world body. One that governs everything, one that even all this belts/organisations have to adhere to.

This guy is going to be cleared, and we would not hear anymore details about it, in a dangerous sport like this, I would shut up if they come out with acceptable details/evidence but am guess everything is now going to be “Classified” from now onwards.

What you are basically describing in regards to doping is WADA and its signatories (USADA/UKAD/ASADA), WADA set the rules, the countries org implements them. If you fail with one it is universally recognised, including governing & sanctioning bodies, WBC or nevada athletic commission aren't going to sanction a bout with a WADA suspended fighter.

Ironically following WADA rules is also why the info is classified, WADA sets the privacy rules and UKAD follow them. Don't expect a WADA signatory to start dropping test info before their process takes place, that doesn't happen.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Every major media outlet on planet earth reported Dillian Whyte failed a drug test.

Eddie Hearn himself said Whyte failed a drug test.

Unconfirmed reports LMFAO

Jesus are you serious? We don't even know that if Whyte failed a test, we heard unconfirmed reports he failed a test, UKAD/NADP have the evidence, we don't. Seriously, could you be more wrong if you tried?

Am I saying Whyte did or didn't dope, no. But UKAD/NADP heard the actual evidence, we didn't and are following the process they have to.

[andocom]

It's unlikely that UKAD would be scheduling a hearing without the result of the B sample. It provides a little insight into how this is going to go that no statement has been forthcoming regarding the result of B sample test.

B sample result statement from who? UKAD can't release that until after the hearing process has taken place and a sanction handed down. The only insight that provides is no one is breaking privacy laws.

99.9% chance B-sample is the same as A-sample, that wouldn't be the reason Whyte was not provisionally suspended and won't be the reason he is or isn't suspended.

[andocom]

Every major media outlet on planet earth reported Dillian Whyte failed a drug test.

Eddie Hearn himself said Whyte failed a drug test.

Unconfirmed reports LMFAO

Every major media outlet repeated an unconfirmed report from one anonymous source.

I mean I could be wrong, point me to the published results from the testing organisation or official statement.

Maybe you don't actually understand what unconfirmed mean?

I'm not defending Whyte, I have no idea and he has form.
You claimed we have the facts and not the ones who have actually heard the facts, just remarkable ****** stuff.

Yeah let’s deal with the facts.

Dillian Whyte failed a drug test. FACT.

Nothing else is a a fact. Nothing presented at this hearing is a fact. We have the facts, they weren’t acted on for some reason.

[tokon]

B sample result statement from who? UKAD can't release that until after the hearing process has taken place and a sanction handed down. The only insight that provides is no one is breaking privacy laws.

99.9% chance B-sample is the same as A-sample, that wouldn't be the reason Whyte was not provisionally suspended and won't be the reason he is or isn't suspended.

As per my other post, there's nothing stopping Whyte releasing the result of B sample test.

As you stated, it's very unlikely that the result will be different from the A sample, however the procedure is the athlete gas the right to ask for the B sample tested. I assume they also have the right to waive that right, accept the result of A sample and go ahead with a hearing on that basis?