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  • Stokely
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    #11
    Originally posted by danceswithfire
    so where is neutral ground stokely?
    Why is that even a question at this point? The real question is why is Bob Arum staging this fight in a city where mexicans outnumber black people 10 to 1? The majority of that crowd will be pro-mexican, pro-Gonzalez. It’s NOT neutral.

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    • danceswithfire
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      #12
      Originally posted by Stokely
      Why is that even a question at this point? The real question is why is Bob Arum staging this fight in a city where mexicans outnumber black people 10 to 1? The majority of that crowd will be pro-mexican, pro-Gonzalez. It’s NOT neutral.
      well, isnt that the point of the thread?...the fight happening in neutral ground

      or you just want to say the obvious that arum is a scumbag coz if that's the case then you have a poor argument here

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      • killakali
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        #13
        Originally posted by Stokely
        First of all, Dallas is Errol’s hometown and where the vast majority of his fan base resides. Second of all, the black population in Dallas is huge, Mexicans do not outnumber Black people by a significant margin at all like they do in Reno, NV. Finally, most of the people at the Spence vs. Garcia fight were not mexican, that’s a myth started by mexicans themselves with no sources. Evidence suggest that most of the people there were black:


        Proof #1: Errol Spence had better TV Ratings than Mikey Garcia

        Spence vs. Peterson, January 20th, 2018
        The fight averaged 637,000 viewers and peaked at 695,000 viewers
        source: https://www.boxingscene.com/spence-p...on-sho--124567

        Garcia vs. Lipinets, March 10th, 2018
        The fight averaged 618,000 viewers and peaked at 689,000 viewers
        source: https://www.boxingscene.com/garcia-l...owtime--126177

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        Spence vs. Ocampo, June 16th, 2018
        The fight averaged 683,000 viewers and peaked at 726,000 viewers
        source: https://www.boxingscene.com/showtime...iewers--129268

        Garcia vs. Easter, July 28th, 2018
        The fight averaged 680,000 viewers and peaked at 725,000 viewers
        source: https://www.boxingscene.com/garcia-e...iewers--130478

        NOTE: Errol Spence was fighting a mandatory challenger no one was familiar with and was still able to get a higher average viewership and peak than Mikey Garcia who was fighting a unification fight with Robert Easter who at the time was the longest reigning lightweight champion

        Proof #2: Errol Spence sells more tickets and has larger crowds at his events

        Spence vs. Peterson, January 20th, 2018
        On fight night, in front of 12,107, Spence broke Peterson down mentally and physically eventually forcing Peterson's trainer Barry Hunter to stop the fight a second into round 8.
        source: https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...arclays-center

        Garcia vs. Lipinets, March 10th, 2018
        Garcia's bout against Lipinets drew 7,800 fans at Freeman Coliseum in San Antonio
        source: http://fightnights.com/2018/05/18/40...-cow-in-boxing

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        Spence vs. Ocampo June 16th, 2018
        In front of a sellout crowd of 12,604, Spence knocked Ocampo out in round 1 to retain his IBF title.
        source: https://www.boxingscene.com/errol-sp...esults--129189

        Garcia vs. Easter, July 28th, 2018
        Before a crowd of 12,560, Garcia dropped Easter in round 3 on his way to a unanimous decision win with scores of 116–111, 117–110 and 118–109, to become the unified WBC and IBF lightweight champion.
        source: https://www.boxingscene.com/mikey-ga...esults--130406

        NOTE: Staples Center has a maximum capacity of 21k, but Mikey could only draw in 12,560 fans. Errol Spence drew in a sellout crowd of 12,604. If Spence fought Ocampo in a larger venue, he would've definitely reached the 13k mark.

        Proof #3: Errol Spence has more fans

        Evidence of this is their social media following, neither Errol or Mikey do things outside of boxing which would gain them a significant amount of followers from non-boxing fans so their social media following should be an accurate indicator of how large their fan bases are

        Instagram Followers:
        Errol Spence: 487k
        Mikey Garcia: 262k

        Twitter Followers:
        Errol Spence: 130k
        Mikey Garcia: 111k

        Proof #4: The name "Errol Spence" is more searched than "Mikey Garcia" according to google trends
        nice try stokes but Dallas has latinos outnumbering blacks by a 2-1 ratio. I’m sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda but Haymon’s sold Spence down the river.

        As of the census[1] of 2010, the racial makeup of Dallas was 50.7% White, 25.0% Black or African American, 0.5% Native American, 2.9% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 17.2% from other races, and 2.7% from two or more races. 42.4% of the population was Hispanic or Latino of any race. Non Hispanic whites made up 28.8% of the city of Dallas. Hispanic-blacks for the first time in the 2000 census as the largest minority group in Dallas.

        The city has historically been predominantly white but its population diversified as it grew in size and importance over the 20th century. Almost 25% of Dallas' population is foreign born.[5] The largest minority group in the city are Hispanics and Latinos—Dallas is a major destination for Mexican immigrants seeking opportunity in the United States because of its relative proximity to the U.S.-Mexico border.

        Don’t embarrass yourself with twitter and ig followers. Ryan garcia blows Spence away.

        But dam 42% vs 25%. Haymon sold him out.

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        • Ray*
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          #14
          Originally posted by danceswithfire
          and where would you suggest the fight to happen?

          too many entitled people in the US it's ridiculous, always complaining about something
          Yep, too many self entitled people these days. If I was shakur I would be glad the fight is happening there, maybe I can pick up a couple of Latino fans on the way, maybe the arena would be full if they turned up etc.

          Nope someone has to see this as a negative! Like they should be having it in shakur front room with 25 members of his extended family. Like that’s what would bring in the fame and money for him... Gosh, is this why American boxers don’t really like fighting outside of America? With dumb mentality like this?

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            #15
            Originally posted by killakali
            nice try stokes but Dallas has latinos outnumbering blacks by a 2-1 ratio. I’m sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda but Haymon’s sold Spence down the river.

            As of the census[1] of 2010, the racial makeup of Dallas was 50.7% White, 25.0% Black or African American, 0.5% Native American, 2.9% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 17.2% from other races, and 2.7% from two or more races. 42.4% of the population was Hispanic or Latino of any race. Non Hispanic whites made up 28.8% of the city of Dallas. Hispanic-blacks for the first time in the 2000 census as the largest minority group in Dallas.

            The city has historically been predominantly white but its population diversified as it grew in size and importance over the 20th century. Almost 25% of Dallas' population is foreign born.[5] The largest minority group in the city are Hispanics and Latinos—Dallas is a major destination for Mexican immigrants seeking opportunity in the United States because of its relative proximity to the U.S.-Mexico border.

            Don’t embarrass yourself with twitter and ig followers. Ryan garcia blows Spence away.

            But dam 42% vs 25%. Haymon sold him out.
            Your arguments are hilariously weak. Listen up idiot, the fight did not take place in Dallas. It took place in Arlington.

            The mexican population in Arlington is only 23% while the black population is 20%. So there is no Mexican outnumbering Blacks 2-to-1 in the city where the fight took place like you've falsely stated. But even if it was 2-to-1, Al Haymon never promised a neutral place for the fight, and 2-to-1 isn't as bad as 10-to-1. Bob Arum was the one who promised a neutral venue to Shakur, yet he F'd him over and sent him to the west coast, a mexican dominated area to fight in a desert city where Black male population is barely 1.2%.

            Also, where is your proof that there were more mexicans at the Spence v. Garcia fight than blacks? You mexicans constantly spew this lie but cannot provide a single shred of evidence. According to the people that saw the fight live, the venue was 50/50.
            Last edited by MusaWorld; 09-07-2019, 03:09 AM.

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            • 'b'
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              #16
              LOL I'm just laughing at western civilisation collapsing and being overtaken by China - haha this is why. Literally 'muh race' 24/7, even something like the venue of a sporting event between two fighters that are both American (oops, should I say 'USA citizens' so as not to offend anyone?).

              Ya'll can fucc yourselves in your fake trans vajinaz

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                #17
                Originally posted by Ray*
                Yep, too many self entitled people these days. If I was shakur I would be glad the fight is happening there, maybe I can pick up a couple of Latino fans on the way, maybe the arena would be full if they turned up etc.

                Nope someone has to see this as a negative! Like they should be having it in shakur front room with 25 members of his extended family. Like that’s what would bring in the fame and money for him... Gosh, is this why American boxers don’t really like fighting outside of America? With dumb mentality like this?
                Really, "Latino" fans? Why don't you say just say Mexicans since 99% of the "Latinos" there are mexican? Show me one Black American boxer that has a large group of mexican fans please.... You won't be able to find one since mexicans are extremely tribal, nationalistic and xenophobic. Bob Arum essentially F$cked Shakur Stevenson putting the fight there. A city where nobody knows him and nobody will care for him after he leaves.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by 'b'
                  LOL I'm just laughing at western civilisation collapsing and being overtaken by China - haha this is why. Literally 'muh race' 24/7, even something like the venue of a sporting event between two fighters that are both American (oops, should I say 'USA citizens' so as not to offend anyone?).

                  Ya'll can fucc yourselves in your fake trans vajinaz
                  LOL @ Americans. These mexicans have no concept of being Americans or US citizens, whenever it's mexico vs USA in a soccer match, mexicans are always rooting for Mexico.

                  Whenever it's a Black American boxer against a Mexican born and raised in Mexico, all of the mexican boo the black boxers and root for the native born mexican.

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                  • DaNeutral.
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                    #19
                    So people are moaning that a fight between 2 Americans isnt in a neutral location based on the amount of black or Mexican people live in the city? What is happening to Americans?

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                    • QueensburyRules
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Stokely
                      Bob Arum said he was going to have the Shakur Stevenson vs. Joet Gonzalez fight take place in a neutral place. Reports say the fight will happen on October 26th in Reno, NV.

                      Reno, NV is 19.7% mexican and 2.6% Black. That means Mexicans outnumber Black people 10 to 1 in that city. So how is that neutral?

                      Shakur Stevenson has been sold out by Top Rank, and Bob Arum exposed himself as a guy who panders to mexicans even at the cost of his own fighters.
                      - -Where else is a thug like Stevey gonna make $$$?

                      Like you posted, the demos are neutral and U still too Brokely to figure it out.

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