Comments Thread For: Froch, Nelson Shake Heads at WBC's "Franchise" Champ Label

[kafkod]

Why is everybody pretending that Charlo is the "full" champ. Charlo is on the same level as WBA regular champs. The "full" WBC champ is the one who is recognized by other organizations (WBA, IBF and WBO) as WBC champ, and that is Canelo.
A fighter himself or journos can call that fighter whatever they want, but if that person is not recognized by authorities as champ it means nothing.

The recognition by the organisations of each other's champions only pertains to mandatories and unifications. A franchise champion won't have any mandos and a franchise title can't be unified with any other titles, because it can't be won in the ring.

There is literally nothing for the WBA, WBO and IBF to recognise in a franchise champion.

[skinnystev]

top fighter in the WBC is a convicted drug cheat

[Roberto Vasquez]

Embarrassing. Someone needs to reform boxing but it's impossible to see how it could happen.

[Thuglife Nelo]

The real reason why the WBC are bending over is because Canelo told them the whole propaganda for “two failed tests” was unethical. VADA knew third day result for a depleted amount was a depleted amount!” But the WBC allowed Loeffler and his ***** minions to exploit this to the gullibles.

The WBC apologized by crowing Canelo.

And everybody knows tacos with salsa verde is the real deal Holyfiled! Pass me an orchata too up in dis hoe!

[ruedboy]

What can you say?
Sulaiman and the WBC must think fans are idiots.
All this sh/t to avoid Charlo?
Alvarez is special because he's boxing's cash cow.
As a fighter not so much.
The diva's got an inflated resume and he's known for clen, catchweights and controversial decisions

[Straightener]

No, the franchise title is something completely different, because it can't be won from the champion by beating him in the ring. There has never been a boxing title like that before.

The rules around franchise titles given at the WBC site are very vague, and I think that's deliberate, because Sulaiman wants to be able to make them up as he goes along.

"1. The Franchise Champion designation is exclusively by appointment of the WBC Board of Governors by a majority vote of the board.

2. This designation is not transferable and is exclusively to the fighter who receives such designation.

3. The Franchise Champion will be designated as WBC Emeritus Champion once he retires from boxing.

4. The Franchise Champion will proudly represent the WBC in every single fight as a reigning WBC champion, regardless of any specific conditions or titles being associated with all future fights. WBC rules and regulations will govern under the traditional conditions of boxing in the Franchise champion fights. WBC will approve through the franchise champion promoter every opponent scheduled to fight.

5. Franchise Champion agrees to participate in a minimum of two social responsibility events every year, organized and in conjunction with the WBC.

6. The WBC may recognize a WBC champion in the division or divisions where the Franchise champion currently competes.

7. The WBC may award a Diamond Championship belt in those fights in which the Franchise Champion engages. If the Franchise Champion loses, the winner will receive the Diamond belt and may be considered as mandatory contender of the division."

https://wbcboxing.com/en/saul-canelo-alvarez-wbc-franchise-champion/

So you can't win a franchise title by beating the franchise champion. See rule 7. But will the champion retain the title, even he loses a fight in that division?

The rules don't say. They do say that if a challenger beats the franchise champion he will be awarded a diamond belt and "may" become mandatory for the other WBC champion in that division.

So even that isn't clear cut and definite. I guess he "may" become mandatory for the other champion if Sulaiman wants him to be. And if Sulaiman doesn't want him to be ... "Here's a beautiful diamond belt to honour your victory. Thank you and goodbye"

good knowledge

Might as well call it the Canelo belt then

[boxguy]

This issue proves that the WBC belt should not be considered one of the "major" belts in provessional boxing. What a joke!!!!

[James Hunt]

The recognition by the organisations of each other's champions only pertains to mandatories and unifications. A franchise champion won't have any mandos and a franchise title can't be unified with any other titles, because it can't be won in the ring.

There is literally nothing for the WBA, WBO and IBF to recognise in a franchise champion.

But they-WBA, IBF, WBC- still recognize Canelo as WBC MW champ, not Charlo.
It's a mess, I know. Franchise champ is a mixture of a super and regular champ. But I still think that defining factor (in determining who's the real champ) should be the recognition by other organizations.
It's similar to when people in certain area declare their independence. They can have their own constitution, follow all the international rules...etc, but if they're not recognized by other states they don't exist.

[James Hunt]

but they-wba, ibf, wbc- still recognize canelo as wbc mw champ, not charlo.
It's a mess, i know. Franchise champ is a mixture of a super and regular champ. But i still think that defining factor (in determining who's the real champ) should be the recognition by other organizations.
It's similar to when people in certain area declare their independence. They can have their own constitution, follow all the international rules...etc, but if they're not recognized by other states they don't exist.

wbo*

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[kafkod]

But they-WBA, IBF, WBC- still recognize Canelo as WBC MW champ, not Charlo.
It's a mess, I know. Franchise champ is a mixture of a super and regular champ. But I still think that defining factor (in determining who's the real champ) should be the recognition by other organizations.
It's similar to when people in certain area declare their independence. They can have their own constitution, follow all the international rules...etc, but if they're not recognized by other states they don't exist.

In what way do they recognise Canelo as MW champ?

None of the sanctioning bodies even rank the other organisation's champions. And like I said, so far as I can make out, they only recognise them when it comes to mando rotation and unifications, neither of which apply to Canelo, because he won't have any mandos and his franchise title can't be contested in the ring.