Why not Andrade-Charlo?

[ruedboy]

In a perfect world it would seem that a top fighter would want to prove he's the best. I think the top fighters are confident in their abilities and are sure they can beat any fighter close to their weight class.
So why don't we see more top guys fighting each other?
It comes down to money, as usual. Fighters like Charlo and Andre through skill, luck or great match making, have put themselves in a position to get a mega fight with either Alvarez or Golovkin, the two major draws in the division
While there's a chance at a mega fight and a big reward, you won't see either guy risk fighting any opponent who has a chance to beat them.
It's a bad situation for fans but that's boxing.

[sicko]

BOTH are talent but also both are full of it and it doesn't seem as either want to fight each other

Both seem to want to just wait with the hope that Canelo or GGG pick them which I don't think will ever happen.

Create your own legacy, make history of your own instead of waiting for Canelo to enhance it for you! Jemall can easily move up and jump in the middle of that 168 Division which is stacked on his side with Benavidez, Plant, Eubank...

Same with Andrade, go chase down BJS at 168

Neither is getting a shot at Canelo IMO

[Boxing_1013]

Yes. All fights between top 160 guys will be very competitive. Charlo/Derevyanchenko/jacobs/GGG/Canelo are all difficult fights for each other.

Agreed...some more than others, mainly based on matchups imo

[Boxing_1013]

The only way you'll get a Charlo fight if you're any type of threat is to become his mandatory. He'll just keep fighting pies until GGG or Canelo hook him up with a fight

That's boxing I guess...

In a perfect world it would seem that a top fighter would want to prove he's the best. I think the top fighters are confident in their abilities and are sure they can beat any fighter close to their weight class.
So why don't we see more top guys fighting each other?
It comes down to money, as usual. Fighters like Charlo and Andre through skill, luck or great match making, have put themselves in a position to get a mega fight with either Alvarez or Golovkin, the two major draws in the division
While there's a chance at a mega fight and a big reward, you won't see either guy risk fighting any opponent who has a chance to beat them.
It's a bad situation for fans but that's boxing.

Yep as you said...that's boxing

BOTH are talent but also both are full of it and it doesn't seem as either want to fight each other

Both seem to want to just wait with the hope that Canelo or GGG pick them which I don't think will ever happen.

Create your own legacy, make history of your own instead of waiting for Canelo to enhance it for you! Jemall can easily move up and jump in the middle of that 168 Division which is stacked on his side with Benavidez, Plant, Eubank...

Same with Andrade, go chase down BJS at 168

Neither is getting a shot at Canelo IMO

I really just hate the narrative now that if you lose a fight you are irrelevant and a bum...as fans we love seeing redemption stories too...so taking a loss should not worry guys and their promoters that much...and that goes for pretty much everyone.

And imo the GGG fight for them would not really pay them that well...GGG is a 'star' but has never really made great money besides with Nelo...everyone wants the Nelo fight because it can take you from $2 million to $10 million...but when you are the King as Nelo is, you don't keep the crown by taking on a lot of high risk low reward fights.

I think all of these guys want to fight each other...but at the same time they are all scared to lose too...and that just sucks imo...they all wanna be like Floyd but none of them are even close to pulling off what he did.

[Mr. 29K]

Because we bruvas. Us bruvas stick together. Na sayin?

[Sledgeweather17]

I think if you kept it a little more real you would realize that again neither Charlo fought Andrade Canelo Lara at 154....Andrade never fought either Charlo Canelo or Lara...imo Lara is the only one who would have fought anyone.

Everyone else is worried about taking a loss and wants to try and be Mayweather...if you think Andrade or Charlo really want to fight GGG right now...I mean I just don't know what to say...they can make similar money for significantly easier fights.

If GGG for one got more credit for the good stuff he has done I would be for him fighting all these supposed boogeymen...but truth is he can beat them...as he did with Jacobs and twice with Nelo...and people still hate.

So yeah I don't think a lot of people really keep it real there...and while GGG in his last 6 fights has Canelo twice Jacobs and now Dervy...pretty good run...you basically admit in your post that you just want to try and use Andrade and Charlo as banana peels to try and slip up someone like G who you don't like.

Which is fine...but it is a really fan-nish take to think like that...and again if G or Nelo beat either one now then a lot of people demanding that fight now...would say the one that got beat ****** and they should fight the other one...if it was a true legacy fight I agree that they should do it.

Funny btw how you are basically saying that now you have the great black hopes... when previously it used to be the great white hopes...I guess stuff really does come full circle sometimes lol.

Anyway I hear what you are saying to some degree...I just think neither Andrade or Charlo has really done enough to make that fight worth it in the sense that if they get beat.. the winner will still get credit...fighting someone else good...like each other. ..would help force the hand of a bigger fight for them.

Stopped reading when you suggested Charlo and Andrade are ducking GGG even though GGG is the one who CLEARLY ducked them.

GGG was ordered to fight Charlo by the wbc and ran away. Now he is ordered to fight Derevyanchenko coming off a loss to Jacobs and he is very happy about it.

Before that Andrade called him out and Canelo told him to get a belt for the rematch. He had to fight Andrade period, and he ducked and chose to fight Rolls while saying that titles aren't Important.

But now he has a chance to get an easy title from Derevyanchenko and he is all game all of a sudden for titles and mandatories.

GGG is a duck he will never face an unbeaten elite black fighter, because when he does he will lose and he knows it.

[Sledgeweather17]

When has that ever happened in the past btw...most great MWs were probably black lol...so unless they were ducking each other I'm lost on that one...only recently has there been a high percentage of great white fighters really across many divisions...with all of the Eastern euros starting to emerge.

It's emotional takes like that one that just make me not be able to take some stuff seriously man...just seems so over the top and tribal...and seems like you view everything in boxing through that prism...which is fine...a lot of us fans do.

But just seems like that skews your judgment on keeping it real a bit...to say that has always been the MO at MW..I mean what...ludicrous man

I know it's difficult to read emotional disposition over texts, but I'm not emotional at all.

What I said is what is happening and you can't deny it.

Elite, unbeaten black fighters are being ducked.

With Charlo they make the "he's on the other side excuse", okay fine, he's on the other side, but is Andrade on the other side?

No he is not, but they still won't fight him.

Canelo would rather jump two weight classes to fight a washed up Kovalev then to fight Andrade, he chose to get stripped by the IBF then to unify titles with Andrade, his team didn't even want to negotiate with Andrade. First they said Andrade wouldn't be ready for September, but Andrade said "hey I'm ready" and then they went silent.

GGG had a chance to fight for the only title that Canelo didn't have and chose to fight Rolls, Rolls! While claiming that titles aren't Important and yet he is now fighting Derevyanchenko for the IBF title, because it "mandated" right? Wasn't it mandated by the wbc that he fight Charlo? What did he say then?

Look at Saunders. He held on to that wbo for years but soon as an elite, unbeaten black fighter became his mandatory, he moved him.

Canelo chose to be stripped rather than to fight Charlo, at Charlo having been his mandatory for a long time.

The pattern is clear, and you can't deny it because these are facts across different situations with different fighters (Canelo, Saunders, Golovkin). The pattern is the same, do whatever it takes to avoid fighting the elite, unbeaten black fighter.

Oh they'll fight the Monroes, Jacobs (chinny former ko victim), Wades, etc etc, and they'll call out and fight a Spence who has to move up two weight classes, but they definitely won't fight the elite, unbeaten black guys in their own weight class.

Fact, not opinion, this has been happening for a while now in clear cut situations, especially in situations where the fights were mandated.

[Sledgeweather17]

So out of those 4 guys...you should have had 5 fights...we got 0.

Are you saying you don't want any good black fighters to mix it up...and instead just want them to fight non black fighters? Sincere question.

Just trying to see why you can say Andrade was ducking all these guys at 154..but now at 160 he suddenly wants to fight everyone and everyone is scared of fighting him.

When your guys duck it's fine... when you perceive someone else has ducked it is an injustice

Actually your statement just proves that I judge everyone the same, irrespective of race. I'm not afraid to say that Andrade ducked those fights just because he's black. If you duck, you duck. Just like I'm not afraid to say that Charlo (the one at Middleweight) ducked Jacobs.

Just because they ducked those fights doesn't excuse GGG and Canelo and Saunders for their own ducking.

When I say that the policy at Middleweight is to avoid elite, unbeaten black fighters, I'm not just talking about the white or Mexican fighters, elite black fighters in that same weight class are also avoiding each other. Seems no one, irrespective of race, wants to fight an elite, unbeaten black fighter, and obviously there is a reason for that.

Having said that Andrade hasn't actually ducked anyone at Middleweight, he did ALOT of ducking at 154, and that was never acceptable. If you check my post history you'll know that I never accepted it and actively roasted him for it.

I hate ducking no matter who does it, ducking is not acceptable no matter who does it.

In GGG and Canelo's case it makes it worse because they and their fans and even the media propaganda want to claim that they are the best two middleweights in the world even though that is completely unproven.

Canelo has been ducking Andrade and Charlo since 154 already and continues to do so at 160. GGG has no actively ducked both Charlo and Andrade.

I'll never except them as the best int they beat at least one of those two. Fighting each other doesn't prove they are the best, it just proves who is better between the two of them.

[TonyGe]

The policy at Middleweight is go duck the best black fighters. It is and has always been.

And please don't tell me about Jacobs. Jacobs only got the fights because he is chinny. He got ko before and got knocked down by bums. That's why GGG was sulivating at the chance to fight him.

Canelo fought him for same reason plus he already lost to GGG so he had two losses already.

The truly dangerous black guys are being ducked and asked to take each other off the table. GGG and Canelo wana fight the weak black guys and then have their fans call them the "African slayers" or black executioner's whilst ducking the ones they know can beat em.

People keep making the excuse that: "well Charlo should have joined DAZN if he wanted those fights"

Nonsense! Andrade is at DAZN and they still ducking him. Billy Joe Saunders rather moved up and gave up his belt than to fight him.

If they are that dangerous and no one else wants to fight them because they are black then fight each other. Saying no one wants to fight them because they are black is a crock of ****. This is getting ridiculous. They can't just sit around withing for money to fall from the sky into their laps.

[Sledgeweather17]

BOTH are talent but also both are full of it and it doesn't seem as either want to fight each other

Both seem to want to just wait with the hope that Canelo or GGG pick them which I don't think will ever happen.

Create your own legacy, make history of your own instead of waiting for Canelo to enhance it for you! Jemall can easily move up and jump in the middle of that 168 Division which is stacked on his side with Benavidez, Plant, Eubank...

Same with Andrade, go chase down BJS at 168

Neither is getting a hi shot at Canelo IMO

I like this post.

They shouldn't have to do that in a perfect world, but this is the world we have so they have.

This waiting bs is ****** because it just gives the other guy more power to jerk you around.

Create your own legacy make meaningful fights with other opponents and even move up if you have to.

As you said, Charlo could easily switch between 160 and 168. He could campaign in both divisions. He's big enough to do that.

But I guess Andrade would be better off doing that since he is the more skillful fighter, because for someone who relies on his power and physical strength like Charlo moving up doesn't work out so well because Charlo can be outboxed especially against a southpaw fighter.

Andrade on the other hand could Mayweather the situation with his skills, defense, and slickness.