Comments Thread For: Sugar Ray Leonard: May-Pac 2 Should Happen - People Will Watch

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You are not from this planet. Berto was a garbage fight. We don’t make excuses

Clottey had lost to Cotto
Margarito had been KO’d by Mosley
Mosley had lost to Floyd
Oscar had lost to Floyd
Hatton had lost to Floyd

When Manny fought all the guys I mentioned they were coming off big losses.

You morons ignore that but Floyd fights Berto and suddenly your anus opens up

You guys are too funny.

You are bringing up guys like Bradley, Clottey and so on to DEFLECT the post that you responded to. Those posters were bringing up that Manny has to fight another young hungry lion like Errol Spence ... but I didn't hear that from Floyd fans when Floyd was fighting. Your hero, Floyd, was not fighting top young undefeated lions. So all I did was point that out to those posters and then you got all defensive about it. Berto and McGregor is who Floyd fought. All I heard was that Floyd deserved to fight whoever he wanted (ie, Berto and Mcgregor).

You could have responded by saying that I made a valid point but instead YOU DEFLECTED! That is just pathetic!


Sorry but it must have been YOU that has been living on another planet because I told you already about Bradley, Clottey and so on and yet you still are going there.

Here is your hero, Floyd Mayweather, on the Clottey vs Cotto fight.

"I thought Cotto lost his last fight (vs Clottey). It was close but I thought he lost.

7:15 minute mark





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[Oregonian]

You guys are too funny.

You are bringing up guys like Bradley, Clottey and so on to DEFLECT the post that you responded to. Those posters were bringing up that Manny has to fight another young hungry lion like Errol Spence ... but I didn't hear that from Floyd fans when Floyd was fighting. Your hero, Floyd, was not fighting top young undefeated lions. So all I did was point that out to those posters and then you got all defensive about it. Berto and McGregor is who Floyd fought. All I heard was that Floyd deserved to fight whoever he wanted (ie, Berto and Mcgregor).

You could have responded by saying that I made a valid point but instead YOU DEFLECTED! That is just pathetic!

Here is your hero, Floyd Mayweather, on the Clottey vs Cotto fight.

"I thought Cotto lost his last fight (vs Clottey). It was close but I thought he lost.

7:15 minute mark


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We can easily do a comparison analysis for Floyd and Manny over the last 15 years and Manny’s resume will not stack up.
Thurman is the only true WW that Manny has fought without any catchweight stipulation or fighting guys that were coming off losses.

Manny has been KO’d a couple of times and has 7 losses not counting the 3 toss ‘em up battles he had with Marquez so maybe 10 losses.

Manny holds the record for rematches or trilogies. He has 10 fights against 4 guys.

Lastly, he got beat by Floyd who happens to be older than him. So talk all the crap you want facts are facts

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Floyd did not make JMM jump up in weight, JMM did it for the money. And how did he dictate weight? He was WW champ and the weight is 147. He only KO'd Ortiz on the break cause Ortiz head butted him and the ref told them to protect yourself at all times.

I agree with you in general on your points all valid, he dictated weight by having a 135 fighter who fought @ 126 for years jump to 147. I understand he had fights in higher weight classes 135, 140. For me Floyd is the ultimate cheery picker but it has worked for him so far. If he fights pac next and beats him, I'm convinced. I'm going to forget about that Japanese NYE exhibition against a what weight fighter? 122 126? and KO's him
hmmmmm that was an exhibition alright.....

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JMM for sure had/had PAC’s number & that’s something PACMAN’s fan just don’t get. It’s the reason all their fights have consistently been too close to call.

More important, JMM himself when asked if the weight difference was a factor in Floyd beating him and his response was pretty accurate - he said Floyd would have beaten him regardless of weight class, “Floyd is just too good”

Well fighters say alot of thing after a fight /lost. Floyd picked him apart in that fight, just would have like to see it at a lower weight or catch but of course a higher weight does favor Mayweather.

[Oregonian]

Well fighters say alot of thing after a fight /lost. Floyd picked him apart in that fight, just would have like to see it at a lower weight or catch but of course a higher weight does favor Mayweather.

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So, what are your thoughts on the catchweight fights Manhy had against Cotto, Oscar & Margarito?

Roach was very clear he wanted Mannybto have an advantage which pretty much makes those wins dubious. Yet those are the wins that people use to reference Manny’s greatness.

As for Floyd-Marquez, do you really believe Marquez would have had a chance against Floyd at any weight?

[Oregonian]

I agree with you in general on your points all valid, he dictated weight by having a 135 fighter who fought @ 126 for years jump to 147. I understand he had fights in higher weight classes 135, 140. For me Floyd is the ultimate cheery picker but it has worked for him so far. If he fights pac next and beats him, I'm convinced. I'm going to forget about that Japanese NYE exhibition against a what weight fighter? 122 126? and KO's him
hmmmmm that was an exhibition alright.....

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Why don’t we have a factual and logical debate regarding what you call cherry picking?

List the fights you believe Floyd cherry picked so we can dissect them? Only logic and facts

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We can easily do a comparison analysis for Floyd and Manny over the last 15 years and Manny’s resume will not stack up.
Thurman is the only true WW that Manny has fought without any catchweight stipulation or fighting guys that were coming off losses.

Manny has been KO’d a couple of times and has 7 losses not counting the 3 toss ‘em up battles he had with Marquez so maybe 10 losses.

Manny holds the record for rematches or trilogies. He has 10 fights against 4 guys.

Lastly, he got beat by Floyd who happens to be older than him. So talk all the crap you want facts are facts

You keep on DEFLECTING every time that I shut you down! Even your hero, Floyd Mayweather, helped me to prove you wrong!

Those posters were discussing a 40 year old Manny. He had just fought an undefeated young lion with a WW title under his belt. Manny took him on. Those posters said that he must continue to do so (fight another young undefeated lion such as Spence). Where were these Floyd fans when Floyd was fighting Berto and McGregor?

This is NOT the first time that I have had this type of back and forth with a Floyd fan. I bring up their posts of how they PROTECT their hero Floyd yet say differently when it comes to Manny, who again, is 40 and will be 41 by the time he fights again!




Manny's resume?
Are you serious? Here is Max Kellerman's take on Manny's resume. He even brings up Floyd here and why he believes Manny tops Floyd.

"Manny Pacquiao has a case for greatest fighter, pound-for-pound, who ever lived" - Max Kellerman




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[P4P Forever]

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So, what are your thoughts on the catchweight fights Manhy had against Cotto, Oscar & Margarito?

Roach was very clear he wanted Mannybto have an advantage which pretty much makes those wins dubious. Yet those are the wins that people use to reference Manny’s greatness.

As for Floyd-Marquez, do you really believe Marquez would have had a chance against Floyd at any weight?

Many started @108 so WTF? Manny had a lot of big wins @ various weights including most recently against Thurman @147.
He did fight @ 145 for Cotto. He also fought @ 154 for Margirito who beat Cotto the first time probably Illegally but beat the F#@K out of him @ 154 so, OK put a * next to the Cotto win. I think Manny has a very good chance of beating Mayweather if they fight in 2020.

[P4P Forever]

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Why don’t we have a factual and logical debate regarding what you call cherry picking?

List the fights you believe Floyd cherry picked so we can dissect them? Only logic and facts

Logic, are you kidding me? Play that game with someone else I'm sure he won't duck the Pac rematch, will he? Leave it at that.

[Oregonian]

Many started @108 so WTF? Manny had a lot of big wins @ various weights including most recently against Thurman @147.
He did fight @ 145 for Cotto. He also fought @ 154 for Margirito who beat Cotto the first time probably Illegally but beat the F#@K out of him @ 154 so, OK put a * next to the Cotto win. I think Manny has a very good chance of beating Mayweather if they fight in 2020.

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Manny’s big wins were at 126 & 130.
At 135 he beat David Diaz only and I bet you don’t even know him.
At 140 he had one fight vs Hatton who was KO’d by Floyd

At 147, his biggest and meaningful win was Thurman. Just google the list of guys he fought and look at their resumes.

Lastly, Manny couldn’t beat Floyd 4 years ago and youbthibk he can beat him now?
He couldn’t beat Marquez in 4 tries - did you see what Floyd did to Marquez?