Boxing fans don't know how difficult it is to do what Lomachenko did...

[StargazerV]

I don't think we would see threads like this started if it were not for the other threads that bring up the Salido fight. Some guys use terms like clown, bum, hype-job, paper champion, etc etc. They go a little overboard, and of course some are just straight trolling.

I'm not sure that losing isn't such a big deal. It depends on the overall resume and the context surrounding each L and each W. Not all W's are created equal and neither are all L's created equal. There's razor thin decisions, there's dominant performances, vicious knockouts, biased robberies, and a number of variable controversies.

Some guys with undefeated records have fought all tomato cans and just haven't faced anybody yet. Others WERE undefeated until they lost to elite competition.
Apparently, the "experts" have put Loma's L in proper context, because they still rate him P4P and whatnot. Who knows, if not for that Salido decision Lomachenko might not be the pro fighter he is today. Salido's tactics may have worked back then, but the concensus is that Loma has evolved since, and understands how to diffuse that style.

So, an L can be very important, it just depends how it is spun. Like you said, the fast track runs more of a risk and is reserved for the special ones. Those boxers are expected to evolve much much faster than most.
I personally think Loma deserves more props than condemnation, for overcoming the Salido loss. The only time an L needs defending or explaining is when somebody takes it out of context or defines an entire career by it.
Just my perspective. Peace.

Truth, bro.

[MDPopescu]

They don't wear headgear in the olympics anymore.


Also, Ramirez fought in the WSB just like Loma did. He had more fights too as he fought with the Cubans for two seasons.

Yes, Ramirez has a World Series of Boxing record of 14-2 (3 KOs)...

[The Noose]

Im still impressed by thinking about how Loma started as a pro.
Its just very impressive on any scale.
Any fighter that is good and exciting gets hyped and with Loma i think its justified because his style can be eye candy.
But i dont know how far he can go given how he fights. He likes to get close and slip shots. I see him getting rocked at the least by a big shot soon.

My take on his loss is that it was legit. He didnt know how to deal with the low blows. And he got going too late. I think he said the same.
Plus his loss means little to me. Im just enjoying his career.

[Stokely]

Lomachenko is truly one of the greats

[Motorcity Cobra]

Again, a gold medalist has lost early in his pro career... Robeisy Ramirez lost his pro debut, a 2x gold medalist to a fighter who was 4-2-2.

What boxing fans don't realise is how difficult it is for great amateurs to transition to the pro's. It's an entirely different game for some.
We have seen it time and time again with Zou Shiming, Frankie Gavin, Felix Diaz etc.

People say it's unimpressive that Lomachenko won a world title in his third fight because of all his amateur experience...but those guys are clueless. How many great amateurs can you name that did this? How many even stay on top?
Right, it's not alot.

Only the real special fighters can do such a thing. Robeisy Ramirez can come back, but I'm not confident about it.

Or maybe Ramirez isn't really that good.....

If Floyd had the same background as Loma you don't think he'd be able to do the same thing?

[DuckAdonis]

Or maybe Ramirez isn't really that good.....

If Floyd had the same background as Loma you don't think he'd be able to do the same thing?

Tough to say, Floyd needed time to really adapt but he was also younger back then. I think so, but like I said...only the special fighters can do such a thing and Floyd is special.

[Lomadeaux]

Bumchenko dove right into Salidoe's wastebasket when Orlandoe dropped the WBO into the trash.

This is almost disturbing man. You’re a waste of life.

[Rock&Roll]

Or maybe Ramirez isn't really that good.....

If Floyd had the same background as Loma you don't think he'd be able to do the same thing?

Different horses for different courses.

Floyd’s skill set and IQ is suited to the pro ranks. Floyd is calculated and likes time and slower pace to figure his opponent out, set traps, control pace, adjust and think strategy. There is no time to do such things when fighting 3x3’s. Perhaps the reason he never did very well in the am’s.
An experienced Floyd dealt with a seasoned vet in Hatton very well on the inside. It’s possible Floyd could do something similar to Salido in his second pro fight. That’s far more likely than winning 2 gold medals and several world amateur championships.

Obviously Ramirez is talented, no one gets 2x Olympic gold by luck or being mediocre. He simply provided another example that pro is vastly different to am’s in style and strategy.

I think that’s the OP’s point though.. Loma being able to excel in the pro’s and am’s is pretty special. Salido fight he was going for a record/glory.., what us boxing fans want! Nothing great ever got achieved by critics. He almost made that new record in narrowly losing to Salido. I commend him for at least trying to be great.

[ReggieKray]

I'm not to familiar with Lomachenko. What's a good fight I could watch. I tried looking at a highlight reel on YouTube but it wasn't that great.

[Rock&Roll]

I'm not to familiar with Lomachenko. What's a good fight I could watch. I tried looking at a highlight reel on YouTube but it wasn't that great.

Gary Russel is a good fighter, was top prospect and he made him look on a level below.

Lingers made Loma look human and beatable, which is unusal since Salido fight. Pretty even fight until the tko.

Rigo fight was boring to watch and the haters say he outweighed him. If you watch the fight, you’ll see he took Rigo’s ‘0’ by using footwork, speed, timing and strategy. Had nothing to do with Loma’s size advantage. Rigo quit on his stool...there’s no way to spin it.