Comments Thread For: Vergil Ortiz Drops Antonio Orozco Three Times For KO in Sixth

[bigdunny1]

Orozco was doing good on slipping down and landing clean shots on Ortiz, showing he has more experience while Ortiz was getting too excited on trying to go for a first round KO which to me is not smart. I had it 3-2 but the size and power difference was just too much and noticeable. Nobody should ignore that Orozco is not a natural welterweight. I agree with what you're saying about the same old style of opponents that just stand there in the pocket and are there to get hit. Unlike other prospects like Garcia, Haney or Lopez, at least Ortiz is aware he's not ready yet for a world title and understands there's work to be done.

Orozco wasn't landing as much as you think and not nearly as cleanly. Orozco was way more effective against Jose Ramirez who he landed 263 total punches of 782 thrown at a 34% connect rate over 12 rounds.

Orozco same pressure threw similar amount of punches but landed just 57 total punches of 323 thrown at a 18% connect rate over 6 rounds against Vergil way off from the Ramirez fight.

Vergil got hit way less then Ramirez did. Nobody has done this to Orozco in terms of knocking him out or making his offense this ineffective. I just watched a replay of the fight and so many of Orozco punches were picked off or didn't land cleanly. I think you and some others were giving Orozco rounds simply for moments of rounds where he was competitive. But he wasn't actually winning those rounds. I gave Orozco just 1 round before the knockout.

[indelible]

I like Vergil Ortiz but Jaron Ennis destroys him and will be future champ by next year. Mark my words

[slimPickings]

... It's GBP which has to "push" Ortiz, not DAZN...



OK... right...



... I also remember Spence just beating an overblown lightweight...

The overblown lightweight ( a P4P material ) AGAINST the advice of his team, ASKED FOR the a$$whipping and his wish was granted!

Orozco was a carefully selected, made to order, past prime overblown light weight who surprisingly gave a good account of him self before succumbing.

Good win by Virgil regardless.

[indelible]

Orozco wasn't landing as much as you think and not nearly as cleanly. Orozco was way more effective against Jose Ramirez who he landed 263 total punches of 782 thrown at a 34% connect rate over 12 rounds.

Orozco same pressure threw similar amount of punches but landed just 57 total punches of 323 thrown at a 18% connect rate over 6 rounds against Vergil way off from the Ramirez fight.

Vergil got hit way less then Ramirez did. Nobody has done this to Orozco in terms of knocking him out or making his offense this ineffective. I just watched a replay of the fight and so many of Orozco punches were picked off or didn't land cleanly. I think you and some others were giving Orozco rounds simply for moments of rounds where he was competitive. But he wasn't actually winning those rounds. I gave Orozco just 1 round before the knockout.

Not a good comparison with Ramirez since that fight was at super lightweight and to anybody that's paid attention to Ortiz already knew he was too big so the jump to 147 made sense. If you think compubox stats are accurate you don't know boxing that well. Put Ortiz with a natural welterweight, which Orozco is not, and I guarantee you the outcome will be different. Ortiz is smart and knows he's not ready to take on the elite. Three more fights and he will be ready for a shot at a title

[QueensburyRules]

Orozco was doing good on slipping down and landing clean shots on Ortiz, showing he has more experience while Ortiz was getting too excited on trying to go for a first round KO which to me is not smart. I had it 3-2 but the size and power difference was just too much and noticeable. Nobody should ignore that Orozco is not a natural welterweight. I agree with what you're saying about the same old style of opponents that just stand there in the pocket and are there to get hit. Unlike other prospects like Garcia, Haney or Lopez, at least Ortiz is aware he's not ready yet for a world title and understands there's work to be done.

- -LOL you thinkin' you know what Verg thinks.

I would point out Orozco was the thicker, ie bigger fighter stronger than the kid to put him on the ropes where he didn't want to be in the beginning.

All thru Verg landed some wicked shots that prevailed in spades, so really, some of you should join a quilting circle where you can jab each other under the table to your hearts content.

And no real fight fan want to see Verg in with an American stinker. Verg bringing back the last vestiges of old school boxing for a hopeful rebirth of that genre.

[bigdunny1]

Not a good comparison with Ramirez since that fight was at super lightweight and to anybody that's paid attention to Ortiz already knew he was too big so the jump to 147 made sense. If you think compubox stats are accurate you don't know boxing that well. Put Ortiz with a natural welterweight, which Orozco is not, and I guarantee you the outcome will be different. Ortiz is smart and knows he's not ready to take on the elite. Three more fights and he will be ready for a shot at a title

Orozco isn't a natural 140 lb fighter lol he's been a top contender for years but had his career on pause multiple times because fights kept being canceled because he couldn't make weight at 140. He's a natural 147lber that has been killing himself and still half the time can't make weight at 140. He's had MORE fights cancelled in the last 3 years after he failed to make 140 weight then he has fights at 140. Out of his 30 career pro fights only 6 fights he made the 140 limit. The other 24 fights were in welterweight division above 140.

Orozco wasn't landing cleanly on Ortiz is the point my eyes caught it real time which is why I clowned some of the scores in this thread before the knockout. Maybe some can't tell the difference between throwing punches that are landing on elbows and gloves and clean punches. I caught it live and the compubox numbers back that up. Ortiz basically doubled Orozco up in every stat compubox tracks.

Ortiz
115 total punches 35% landed
24 jabs 16% landed
91 power punches 50% landed

Orozco
57 total punches 18% landed
9 jabs 9% landed
48 power punches 21% landed

[Chris Hanson]

I like Vergil Ortiz but Jaron Ennis destroys him and will be future champ by next year. Mark my words

get that sbd out of your mouth. s is for small

[daggum]

Orozco isn't a natural 140 lb fighter lol he's been a top contender for years but had his career on pause multiple times because fights kept being canceled because he couldn't make weight at 140. He's a natural 147lber that has been killing himself and still half the time can't make weight at 140. He's had MORE fights cancelled in the last 3 years after he failed to make 140 weight then he has fights at 140. Out of his 30 career pro fights only 6 fights he made the 140 limit. The other 24 fights were in welterweight division above 140.

Orozco wasn't landing cleanly on Ortiz is the point my eyes caught it real time which is why I clowned some of the scores in this thread before the knockout. Maybe some can't tell the difference between throwing punches that are landing on elbows and gloves and clean punches. I caught it live and the compubox numbers back that up. Ortiz basically doubled Orozco up in every stat compubox tracks.

Ortiz
115 total punches 35% landed
24 jabs 16% landed
91 power punches 50% landed

Orozco
57 total punches 18% landed
9 jabs 9% landed
48 power punches 21% landed

too bad you weren't as astute during floyd-pac. it credited floyd with landing 11 power shots in round 3 vs pac. he landed zero. (unless you count blocked punches which you just admitted you dont) thats off. thats off by a lot. thats off by a factor of 11 and that was a slow paced fight that should have been a lot easier to track. where were your great eyes then!

compubox is compete rubbish. truth is no one can accurately tell what happens in one viewing of a fight but i'm sure a blind person can get it better than compubox most times. dont align yourself with them. they are crap. we have known this since the calzaghe-hopkins laugh fest

[Chris Hanson]

who cares mexicans run combat sports. its not a big deal. its one aspect of life. get over it.

[indelible]

get that sbd out of your mouth. s is for small

bro you don't know what you're talking about. can't even talk right. look up his highlights before you act. Ortiz still needs to learn footwork and to move his head.